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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlak View Post
    Maybe only south east Serbs. One of my friends is from South east Serbia(Babusnica) and he gets butthurt whenever someone mentions Bulgarians, especially when we call him Bulgarian because of his native dialect.
    Tho i think his maternal line is definitely Bulgarian by origin considering how their previous surname ended with "ov" and his great great grandfather was called Krum, which i think is unique Bulgarian name.
    Yep. Krum is actually of Turkic Bulgar origin. Khan Krum for example. Medieval ruler.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    It's called "naricanje" that means lament or loud crying.

    https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-ec/%D0%A...B8%D1%86%D0%B0
    https://sr.m.wiktionary.org/sr-ec/naricanje

    Often followed with singing songs named "tuzbalice" that means sad songs.
    Women who do that (in past often professionally) were called "narikače".

    I'm not sure this ceremony still exists in practice. Maybe in some rural places.

    Oh shit. You have this too. I've seen my Baba do this stuff in the past. Kind of like making up a very sad song on the spot. Heart breaking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Females who are married into a new family not only get the new families surname, but also the patron saint/Slava.

    Mines Sveta Petka. Paternal line.
    СРБИНЕ!

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    [Цитат = Vojnik; 6386528] Да. Крум всъщност е от тюркски булгарски произход. Хан Крум например. Средновековен владетел.

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    These are the names taken from the Ottoman archives / defter / for the area of present-day Northern Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia and Pirin Macedonia. clearly visible Krum, Kardam, Asparuh and Murtak derived from Omurtag / Murtagon.
    Крум, Дранина на Прилеп, 1467/8
    Пейо син на Крум, с. Стравиловци, Щипско 1467/8
    Дончо, син на Крум, с. Добридол, Тетовско, 1647
    Кирко, син на Крум, с. Песошница, Леринско. 1481г.
    Рале Крум, с Рудник, Леринско, 1481
    Никола Крум, с. Сланци, Леринско, 1481
    Койо, син на Крум, с. Ново село/Паликруша, Леринско, 1481 г.
    Косте Крум, с. Борово, Гоцеделчевско, 1494/1503
    Йорги Круман, с. Корпивлен, Гоцеделчевско, 15 век
    Дино, син на Асп(а)руко, с. Вълково, Гоцеделчевско, 15. век
    Омер, син на Аспарух, с. Братин, Битолско, 1634
    Аспарух Янко, с. Оптичери, Битолско, 1635
    Аспарух, син на попа, с. Брод, Битолско 1635
    Никола Аспо, с. Бутково, Валовищко, 15.ве
    вдовица Апсара, с. Сармусаклу, Серско, 1494-1503
    Алекси Кардам, мах. Уфало, Солун, нач. на 16.век
    Панайот Кардам, гр. Мелник, 1570
    Кърдам, зет на Калодик, с. Подгоряни/Горянци, Зиляховско, 15. век
    Кардан син на Димитър, Горни Дъбник, Плевенско, 1576
    Пейо, син на Кърдан, с. Стравиловци, Щипско 1467/8
    Кърдан Младен, с. Катраница, Воденско, 1467/8
    Кърдан, с. Брезница, Гоцеделчевско, 15. век
    Димитри Муртак, мах. Калчар, Прилеп, 1467/8
    Стоян Муртан, с. Борово, Валовищко, 15. век
    Мурта, син на Михо, с. Шигрито, Гоцеделчевско, 15. век
    Мурта /Морита/, син на Крайо, с. Моклен, Серско
    Стамад , син на Мурта, с. Неголян, Серско, 15. век
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    [Цитат = Vojnik; 6386528] Да. Крум всъщност е от тюркски булгарски произход. Хан Крум например. Средновековен владетел.

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    These are the names taken from the Ottoman archives / defter / for the area of present-day Northern Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia and Pirin Macedonia. clearly visible Krum, Kardam, Asparuh and Murtak derived from Omurtag / Murtagon.
    Крум, Дранина на Прилеп, 1467/8
    Пейо син на Крум, с. Стравиловци, Щипско 1467/8
    Дончо, син на Крум, с. Добридол, Тетовско, 1647
    Кирко, син на Крум, с. Песошница, Леринско. 1481г.
    Рале Крум, с Рудник, Леринско, 1481
    Никола Крум, с. Сланци, Леринско, 1481
    Койо, син на Крум, с. Ново село/Паликруша, Леринско, 1481 г.
    Косте Крум, с. Борово, Гоцеделчевско, 1494/1503
    Йорги Круман, с. Корпивлен, Гоцеделчевско, 15 век
    Дино, син на Асп(а)руко, с. Вълково, Гоцеделчевско, 15. век
    Омер, син на Аспарух, с. Братин, Битолско, 1634
    Аспарух Янко, с. Оптичери, Битолско, 1635
    Аспарух, син на попа, с. Брод, Битолско 1635
    Никола Аспо, с. Бутково, Валовищко, 15.ве
    вдовица Апсара, с. Сармусаклу, Серско, 1494-1503
    Алекси Кардам, мах. Уфало, Солун, нач. на 16.век
    Панайот Кардам, гр. Мелник, 1570
    Кърдам, зет на Калодик, с. Подгоряни/Горянци, Зиляховско, 15. век
    Кардан син на Димитър, Горни Дъбник, Плевенско, 1576
    Пейо, син на Кърдан, с. Стравиловци, Щипско 1467/8
    Кърдан Младен, с. Катраница, Воденско, 1467/8
    Кърдан, с. Брезница, Гоцеделчевско, 15. век
    Димитри Муртак, мах. Калчар, Прилеп, 1467/8
    Стоян Муртан, с. Борово, Валовищко, 15. век
    Мурта, син на Михо, с. Шигрито, Гоцеделчевско, 15. век
    Мурта /Морита/, син на Крайо, с. Моклен, Серско
    Стамад , син на Мурта, с. Неголян, Серско, 15. век

    Krume is a relatively common name in Macedonia



    The creators of the Macedonian alphabet in November 1944.
    Left to right: Vasil Ilioski, Hristo Zografov, Krum Toshev, Dare Djambas, Venko Markovski, Mirko Pavlovski, Mihail Petrushevski, Hristo Prodanov, Georgi Kiselinov, Georgi Shoptraianov, Iovan Kostov

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    Nice thread with a generous selection of interesting posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Mines Sveta Petka
    Mine too

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    What is the earliest Balkan reference to Romance speakers, would anyone happen to know?

    Made by a Slavic speaker, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    Mine too
    Mine is Todorovden (St. Theodore's day)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    [Цитат = Vojnik; 6386528] Да. Крум всъщност е от тюркски булгарски произход. Хан Крум например. Средновековен владетел.

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    These are the names taken from the Ottoman archives / defter / for the area of present-day Northern Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia and Pirin Macedonia. clearly visible Krum, Kardam, Asparuh and Murtak derived from Omurtag / Murtagon.
    Have you got the source for that? Just out of curiosity.

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