British People SHOCKED By American Healthcare Prices

[The Lawspeaker]

America now wants to force the UK to accept higher medicine prices in order to support their own Big Pharma. It's appalling and immoral, the British people will never accept that. It's a very important issue for voters.

I don't like Labour but if Labour defeats the Conservatives in this election - then the Conservatives will have earned their defeat.

[Loki]

Our healthcare system is an embarrassment. It's pathetic that the largest economy on earth can't provide something better. It's largely driven by the greed of insurance and pharmaceutical companies and all their lobbyists.

Totally agreed, I so hoped that Donald Trump would push back on Big Pharma, but unfortunately he cares too much about the bottom line profit.

[Kamal900]

That's why you now see this kosher nationalism™ pop up all over the place because they know that otherwise the European would turn to the real nationalists.

They're afraid of people like you or other true European nationalists who are very Jew wise on the whole matter of things. What Nick Griffin said in regards to the Zionist organizations of America funding the right wing political parties of Europe to be subservient to them should take into face value on what's going on in Britain with Boris Johnson and Tommy Robinson.

[Loki]

I don't like Labour but if Labour defeats the Conservatives in this election - then the Conservatives will have earned their defeat.

If indeed they do want to pander to American demands regarding these matters, but I do think even most Conservatives also want to keep the UK's healthcare system independent and they will push Boris on this matter.

[renaissance12]

America now wants to force the UK to accept higher medicine prices in order to support their own Big Pharma. It's appalling and immoral, the British people will never accept that. It's a very important issue for voters.

Really ?.... Why ?

[Synapsid]

The Leftists like to claim the glory because they rewrote some laws and stamped their names on them but the basic building of Western Europe's welfare states is either Christian or Liberal or both.. They did this in order to block the socialists. So you can have your social system and still be a right-wing country.

It was otto von bismark, the 19th century Europe's most conservative politician who tried to overcome the Reichstag so many time, who came with Europe came with the first social insurences/welfare measures like free healthcare, home insurance, food aid etc. I tries to ram this point to Americans, but they always think that Europe safety nets come as a result of a) In-closet post war commies 2) Lazy frenchies who don't like to work and always protest (yes an american said this to me )

[Synapsid]

I think it would be much more lower than America even considering that most tax payers are paying for illegal migrants and even to minority groups like Aframs and Hispanics where the majority of them are on welfare.

Majority of Afram are not on welfare, over 80% work full time. Food stamps are a different matter. America is not like Europe at all, you can literally stave for weeks if you don't work, even if you come from an poverty stricken populations/communities like Aframs. Hispanic form the bulk of poor industrial and agricultural workers in the south west, hence why in the US many companies support (covertly) illegal immigration. Very different from the EU in general In Sweden, some migrant have 80% dependent welfare, which will be impossible in the US society.

[Dragoon]

Yep, frontier mentality combined with corporate capitalism. Everyone's on their own mindset. Even the tiniest hint of economic equality is seen as "socialism".

Its economic liberalism (which dominates both parties) and libertarians. The first is minimal interference/regulation in economy and individualist, the second is the even more radical.
Libertarians in particular seem to think its all socialism. And many of them disagree that America is capitalist today.
They might blame Keynesian economics (which died off in the 1970s) but they dont realize it.

The social liberalism (both parties accepted New Deal) from the 30-70s was more kind to the Americans. But it had its faults too and broke. Then neoliberalism came in (Carter/Reagan)
the social liberalism shifted to Third Way. Less social liberalism focus on economy and more identity politics (get the peoples eyes away from economy and push New Left ideas).
You see that with Clintons, Bidens, and so on.

[Dragoon]

The Leftists like to claim the glory because they rewrote some laws and stamped their names on them but the basic building of Western Europe's welfare states is either Christian or Liberal or both.. They did this in order to block the socialists. So you can have your social system and still be a right-wing country.

Exactly, in Europe it was picked up by progressive conservatives and social democrats. Some of the liberal parties joined after WW2. In UK liberalism shifted to New Liberalism earlier in the 20th century, they were a bit different. But New Liberalism had a competitor in Labour who outdid them.

[The Lawspeaker]

Let's see.. chronologically who created the Dutch welfare state and who has been its greatest enemy:

1806: Education Act of 1806 (Onderwijswet van 1806), regulates both the necessary background training for teachers as well as payment through school money. They are now to folow guidelines as outlined by a new Ministry of Education and are thus the fore-runners of public schools which also had a slightly liberal protestant character - any attempts to open either Catholic or orthodox protestant schools (such as in 1834) were quashed. Start of the "eerste schoolstrijd" (First School Wars) between Church and State.
1810: Mining Act of 1810 (Loi concernant les Mines, les Minières et les Carrières - or Mijnwet van 1810: a French law arranging basic safety in mining - banning child labour in the mines for those under the age of 10)
1818: Society of Humanitarianism (Maatschappij van Weldadigheid): first attempts to quash urban poverty by moving paupers to the provinces. The plan is only partially successful and the colonies are taken over by the State in 1859.
1840s: Paupers are used in public works projects in exchange for food. Particularly during the hunger years around 1848.
1848: New Constitution goes into effect. It arranges the freedom of education as based on liberal principles that only public education should be funded.
1851-1854 First Liberal attempts to mediate capitalism as carried out under the 1848 liberal-influenced Constitution by Thorbecke. Get crushed by the conservative elite at the time.
1854 - Poor Law (Armenwet): places care for the poor into the hands of the elite (through charity) and the various churches.
1857: Education Act of 1857 (Onderwijswet van 1857): schools are now arranged through a hierarchy of lower, middle and higher education (as proposed by the conservative van Rappard) and with freedom of education: four types of schools were created that arranged the schools per social class. Lack of funding for religious schools allows for the second phase of the schoolstrijd to erupt. The law does arrange that the "liberal" character should also include amenities for Catholics and Orthodox Protestants.
1874: Ban on Child Labour (van Houten - Liberal). The Act bans child labour in an industrial capacity for those under the age of 12. At first van Houten had attempted to ban all child labour but the conservatives made sure it never got that far. Still the law banned child labour in factories, mines and so-called "trafieken" or those under the age of 12 and banned nightly labour or those under the age of 13. Field work, domestic and personal services remained as they were.
1878: Education Act of 1878: State school class sizes lowered from 70 to 40, the municipalities were ordered to compensate for higher costs and pay for teacher training who also received more compensation as an insurance against invalidity or unemployment. The goverment pledged to subsidise 30 percent of these costs. Any attempts from Catholics and Protestants, even after a national petition signed by both Catholics and Protestants, was deliberately ignored by prime minister van de Coppello who had a real dislike for either one of the two. Even a plea before the King didn't help and this erupted the Schoolstrijd with even more fury. From there on both Catholics and Protestants began to form political parties (until then - MP's had run as individuals with only certain leanings) bu this led to Catholic-Protestant political cooperation (known as "de Coalitie") with them taking the fight over education to both Socialists and Liberals ("Links" or The Left).
1887: The results of a parliamentary inquiry as proposed by H. Goeman Borgesius (Liberal) into the lives of industrial workers shocks both parliament and the nation.
1889: Labour Act (Arbeidswet van 1889) - legislating mandatory rest times for workers (min. an hour per working day), total ban on the employment of women and children below the age of 12 on Sunday.
1880: First Protestant university (Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam - as created by Orthodox Protestants)
1880s-1890s First modern unions and collective labour associations begin to form with the socialist-Jew run General Diamond Workers' Union of the Netherlands (Algemene Nederlandse Diamantbewerkers Bond) and the same National Labor Secretariat (Nationaal Arbeids-Secretariaat) being the most-well organised of the lot. Protestants also began to organise themselves in the Nederlandsch Werkliedenverbond Patrimonium (1876). Catholics had remained outside of both politics and the unions but this began to change in the 1880s with the first Catholics being elected to Parliament. From 1891, they based themselves on the Rerum Novarum.

1892: Creation National Statistics Agency - later on one of the main parties of the Dutch corporatist model.
1901 - Invalidity Act (Protestants and Catholics)
1901 - Housing Act (Protestants and Catholics)
1903: Public Service Strike Act (Protestants and Catholics) after the railway strikes of 1903 had mayhem up and down the country as a result of the lack of a coherent policy in regards to trade unions: some employers banned unions outright, some made it compulsory. The Confessional government understood that the Left controlled the unions and as a result moved towards creating their own. The government then banned civil servants from going on strike
1906 - After the government loses the 1903 elections, the Socialists unite their unions and organisations in the centrally led- Nederlands Verbond van Vakverenigingen - a fifteen unions strong alliance led by Henri Polak.
1909 - Protestants create the Christelijk Nationaal Vakverbond - an alliance of Protestant unions. Catholics were welcome to join but biships spoke out against this in 1912 which meant that the Catholics remained without proper representation.
1913: Sickness and Invalidity Insurance Act ( ziekteverzekeringswet) - the act only really goes into effect in 1930. Liberal governments do start to tax companies, properties and income from 1913-1914 onwards. A general old age pension act is quashed in 1916.
1917: End of school struggle: article 23 of the revised Dutch constitution arranges equal subsidies for both public and "special" schools.
1918: attempted coup by Socialists rebuffed. Netherlands moves from district voting to PR. (as per Socialist demand).
1919: General invalidity and old age pension introduced (Protestants and Catholics) - introduction Council of Education which guides the government's decisions regarding education.
1922: First Catholic university opens in Nijmegen - followed by Tilburg (1927)
1925: The Catholics form their first real unions - The Roomsch-Katholiek Werkliedenverbond
1930s: during the crisis of the 1930s, the unemployed receive a stipend but had to report in twice a day for a stamp so he couldn't work off the books. There also were public works project. Despite of World War II and the crisis of the 1930s some social housing stock was available but not much. Slums were still common enough.
1941: Child care benefits for those parents in wage labour and the replacement of the pre-war healthcare system with a general healthcare insurance by the German occupier.
1942: Introduction corporation taxes (by the German occupier) - also during the War, businesses and the approved organisations begin to work together under the German model)
1943: Child swimming education made mandatory. Diploma's introduced ( by the German occupier)
1945: Introduction National Planning Bureau (Dutch government) along with price and wage controls (socialists and Catholics)
1947: Emergency Act for Care for the Elderly (Socialists and Catholics)
1950: Introduction Sociaal-Economische Raad - which helps employers collecting real data.
1957: General Old-Age Pension Act (Socialists, Catholics, Protestants)
1963: General Childcare Assistance Act - wage and price controls abolished (Liberals, Protestants and Catholics)
1963: General Assistance Act (Liberals, Protestants and Catholics)
1964: General Sickness Asssistance Act (Liberals, Protestants and Catholics)
1965: General Unemployment Assistance Act (Liberals, Protestants and Catholics)
1966: General Invalidity Insurance Act (Socialists, Catholics and Protestants)
1968: General Act Special Care (Liberals, Protestants and Catholics)
1970s: Since the 1970s most Catholic organisations are taken over by the Socialists who undermine them. The Socialist and Catholic unions now form the Socialist-led FNV (since 1976). Attempts to do the same with Protestants fail. Most Catholics and Protestants join a united party from 1980 onwards - known as the CDA. Christian Democratic Appeal.
1982: Wassenaar Agreement: lower wages in exchange for a job guarantee during the 1980s crisis. This also further codifies and enshrines the existence of the Dutch Polder Model (employers, trade unions, Christian Democrats (form. Catholics and Protestants), left-wing Liberals).
1996: Personal budgets (allowing people to buy their own care and select their own carers. The budget was introduced by Liberal politicians)
1996: General Assistance Act (weakened and replaced the General Assistance Act of 1963) - Socialists, Liberals and Left-wing Liberals (D66)
1996: Act Handicapped Youth Assistance Funds (arranges general assistance for those handicapped under the age of 30) - Socialists, Liberals and Left-wing Liberals (D66)
2005: Act Work According To Ones Working Capacity: a weakened version of the 1966 act it replaces (Christian Democrats, Liberals, Left-wing Liberals)
2006: Healthcare Act (replaces the 1941 and 1964 acts) - Christian Democrats and Liberals.
2007: Act Ageing Invalid Employers - assists those who been invalided between the ages of 50 and 65. (Christian Democrats, Evangelical Protestants (CU) and Socialists (PvdA)
2015: Long Term Care Act: diminishes and weakens the effect of the 1968 act it replaces (Liberals and Socialists)
2015: Participation Act: replaces and weakens the 1996 General Assistance Act, provisions regarding social workplaces for the handicapped as well as the act for assisting juvenile handicapped and creates a means test. (Liberals and Socialists)
2015: Social Assistance Act: weakens the effects of the Personal Budgets and pushes long-term care onto approved private agencies and the municipalities.