Are the Flemish gen. closer to Walloons or to Holland Dutch? Closer to Walloons or to Frisians?

**savvas** · 12-12-2019, 06:04 PM

And what about South Dutch (es. from North Brabant)? Are they closer to Walloons or to Holland Dutch? Closer to Walloons or to Frisians?

**Jana** · 12-12-2019, 06:05 PM

Closer to Walloons than to Frisians. But south Dutch are also closer to Walloons than to Frisians.
South Dutch and all native Belgians are very similar, while North Dutch are closer to south Scandinavians and NW Germans.

**savvas** · 12-12-2019, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Closer to Walloons than to Frisians. But south Dutch are also closer to Walloons than to Frisians.
South Dutch and Belgians are very similar, North Dutch closer to south Scandinavians and NW Germans.

How do you know? Do you have some GEDMATCH results by any chance? And what about Holland Dutch? Are Flemish/South Dutch closer to them or to Walloons?

**Jana** · 12-12-2019, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by savvas

How do you know? Do you have some GEDMATCH results by any chance? And what about Holland Dutch? Are Flemish/South Dutch closer to them or to Walloons?

Here you can see how big is genetic difference between N and S Dutch

There was a thread about it, I think Peterski made it. Not sure about Hollanders.

K15

North Dutch

Danish 2.4857706
West_Scottish 4.0061259
Icelandic 4.1138263
Irish 4.1538991
Southeast_English 4.8957238

South Dutch

French 6.3332895
Southwest_English 6.5611779
West_German 6.8665801
North_German 7.2501747
Southeast_English 7.4065189

K13

North Dutch

Danish 1.7340928
Norwegian 3.0795923
Orcadian 3.183075
Icelandic 3.2547879
Irish 3.8178106

South Dutch

West_German 2.5191952
Southeast_English 7.0702389
French 7.2510321
North_German 8.6474813
Southwest_English 8.9057029

**Creoda** · 12-18-2019, 06:33 PM

**Sebbo** · 06-11-2021, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Creoda

How was this PCA made, and did you make it

? Very nice work.

**Creoda** · 06-11-2021, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sebbo

How was this PCA made, and did you make it

? Very nice work.

Thanks. Yes, I made it on the Vahaduo custom PCA site, it comes from the Eurogenes Celtic vs Germanic PCA coordinates.

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...revisited.html

**Septentrion** · 11-25-2021, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Creoda

Thanks. Yes, I made it on the Vahaduo custom PCA site, it comes from the Eurogenes Celtic vs Germanic PCA coordinates.

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...revisited.html

If you’ve made it. It cannot be reliable since you could be unprofessional or even worse biased. On what basis have you made the chart?

**Septentrion** · 11-25-2021, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by savvas

And what about South Dutch (es. from North Brabant)? Are they closer to Walloons or to Holland Dutch? Closer to Walloons or to Frisians?

The Flemish are closer to the South Dutch. Historical Flanders spanned parts of Belgium, Flanders and adjacents lands in northern France. These lands lay north of Wallonia.

**Creoda** · 11-25-2021, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Septentrion

If you’ve made it. It cannot be reliable since you could be unprofessional or even worse biased. On what basis have you made the chart?

I explained and linked it in my post. It comes from academic sample coordinates on the Eurogenes site, I copied and pasted them onto a PCA to illustrate them.

You can do the same:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15jg...QoZ7wM0R3/view

You're not exactly in a position to talk about reliability, since you never cite your sources for your many statements. Does the PCA look unrealistic to you?