Slovenci-Zagorci in denial?

[vbnetkhio]

Lol, these samples include many mixed Croats and it's for fun. Concentrate on academic samples.

academic Croat samples occupy that area on the plot too

[Pribislav]

Slovenes don't speak Kajkavian. They have something like 40 dialects and some can barely understand each other. Their language is far more diverse than Croat or any other South Slavic. Only uneducated Serbs don't know it.

Prekmurje Slovene is closest to Kajkavian (it's ex Hungarian part of Slovenia), and they belonged to Zagreb diocese in medieval times.

Slovenes say KAY for what, same and Zagorci.

[Ülev]

Slovenija ob Japonski in Antarktiki med tremi najbolj 'vročimi destinacijami'
https://www.24ur.com/novice/gospodar...inacijami.html

[Ülev]

Po Lendavi, Mariboru, Ljubljani, Škofji Loki in Kopru so šesti Sabor hrvaške kulture letos pripravili v Velenju. Gostilo ga je tamkajšnje KD Međimurje, nastopilo je 200 članov iz osmih društev.
https://www.rtvslo.si/lokalne-novice...-hrvati/423381

[Jana]

Slovenes say KAY for what, same and Zagorci.

Acoording to that Russians/Ukrainians are stokavians.

[Mingle]

that would make a lot more sense.
i thought it was interpreted as Dervan wasn't a Surb but a Sclaven who ruled over Surbi.

i conclude there was a common Slavic identity which was "Slovѣnin" or "Slovѣnec" .
but it should be better researched why some groups used that identity and not a specific tribal one.

besides Slovenians and Slovaks(who also call themsleves Slovenci) there were also Slovincians in Poland and Ilmen Slavs(they called themselves just "словѣне" in their language) in Novgorod area.

Ilmen Slavs probably had their own tribal name. They were from the early Middle Ages so information on them may have either gotten lost or wasn't recorded. Precise data from that time period is harder to come by. They would've likely identified with both their tribal name as well as with the generic Slav term. Its just that in their case the tribal name wasn't recorded or got lost similar to the case with the Nitra Slavs of Slovakia.

Based on what I've read online, it seems that Slovincians were simply Lutheran Kashubs. Kashubs probably identified as Kashub first and Slovincian second. When a part of them converted to Lutheranism, they would've probably became more estranged from the Kashub identity and then started identifying with the generic Slavic (Slovincian) label.

Slovenes don't speak Kajkavian. They have something like 40 dialects and some can barely understand each other. Their language is far more diverse than Croat or any other South Slavic. Only uneducated Serbs don't know it.

Prekmurje Slovene is closest to Kajkavian (it's ex Hungarian part of Slovenia), and they belonged to Zagreb diocese in medieval times.

There are no clear linguistic features that divide the two, they're both part of the same dialect continuum.

[Roy]

firstly I had to check my current flag and then/now I will be neutral

You're a Spanish noble after all and your dark eyes are typical too for Iberians!

[Voyt]

In this Hungarian map showing ethnic structure before 16th century, kaykavian "Croats" are described separate than real chakavian Croats, and were named Slovenes.

No Croat name in Zagreb surroundings before 16th century!

If Northwest Croats had any sense about them they would relinquish their Crorat ethnonym asap

[Voyt]

Traditional music of Bunjevci/Vlaji Croatians from Dalmatian hinterland (Serbs in denial) vs. Zagorci kaykavians (Slovenes in denial).

Bunjevci/Vlaji



Zagorci kaykavians

they both look like crorats to me hehe

[Dick]

they both look like crorats to me hehe

first video look like I2+Illyrian mix . Second video looks R1a+Illyrian mix