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    Default Possible Middle Eastern ancestry?

    My dad gets weird scores which dont fit in with the rest of his result breakdown.

    First his high Red Sea on Eurogenes K13:
    Red_Sea 3.45 Pct

    Then the scores on 23andMe:


    Also G25:


    Could this be the result of some unknown middle eastern ancestor or part of some native balkan admixture?

    Just curious of some opinions.
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    Can you post results of various gedmatch calculators?


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    Can you post full K13 and full K36?

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    obviously he has like 1 turk ancestor from 400 years ago or something

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    I found results of your dad you posted in your 23andme thread. I can erase them if you don't want me to show them publicly.

    Eurogenes K13

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 31.45
    2 North_Atlantic 20.75
    3 East_Med 16.22
    4 West_Med 15.23
    5 West_Asian 10.97
    6 Red_Sea 4.54

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Serbian @ 8.133100
    2 Moldavian @ 8.158525
    3 Romanian @ 8.702277
    4 Bulgarian @ 9.311501
    5 Croatian @ 11.420136
    6 Hungarian @ 14.299905
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 17.589355
    8 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.671915
    9 Austrian @ 19.013071
    10 Ukrainian @ 19.103321
    11 South_Polish @ 19.152969
    12 East_German @ 20.266310
    13 Southwest_Russian @ 21.514219
    14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 21.646276
    15 Polish @ 22.649935
    16 Tatar @ 23.050436
    17 Russian_Smolensk @ 24.047909
    18 Estonian_Polish @ 24.655935
    19 North_Italian @ 25.358210
    20 Belorussian @ 25.382063

    Eurogenes K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 23.07
    2 North_Sea 18.30
    3 East_Med 14.45
    4 West_Med 11.35
    5 Eastern_Euro 10.86
    6 West_Asian 9.27
    7 Atlantic 8.57
    8 Red_Sea 3.94

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Moldavian @ 10.195410
    2 Romanian @ 10.893278
    3 Bulgarian @ 12.216893
    4 Serbian @ 12.262586
    5 Croatian @ 13.481596
    6 Hungarian @ 14.162113
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.291906
    8 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.352713
    9 Ukrainian @ 17.835049
    10 Austrian @ 17.971149
    11 South_Polish @ 18.404079
    12 Greek @ 20.294704
    13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.767210
    14 East_German @ 20.872385
    15 Southwest_Russian @ 21.543428
    16 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.643198
    17 Polish @ 21.728180
    18 Belorussian @ 23.455805
    19 Ashkenazi @ 23.878849
    20 Estonian_Polish @ 24.072868

    Eurogenes K36

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian 4.03 Pct
    Armenian 0.21 Pct
    Basque 1.86 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 7.27 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 8.90 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 19.69 Pct
    East_Med 5.37 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 7.02 Pct
    Fennoscandian 3.21 Pct
    French 4.44 Pct
    Iberian 2.80 Pct
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 18.79 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 1.07 Pct
    North_African 1.37 Pct
    North_Atlantic 6.19 Pct
    North_Caucasian 0.31 Pct
    North_Sea 2.02 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 0.41 Pct
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 4.14 Pct
    West_Med 0.91 Pct

    PuntDNAL K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_European 49.18
    2 Mediterranean 26.54
    3 Caucasian 11.06
    4 SW_Asian 10.20
    5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.31

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Croatian @ 7.939699
    2 Serbian @ 8.858267
    3 Hungarian @ 8.904469
    4 Austrian @ 9.196777
    5 Bosnian @ 10.054993
    6 Slovenian @ 10.156669
    7 South_German @ 10.760468
    8 Utahn_White @ 11.136331
    9 Irish @ 11.506269
    10 Orcadian @ 11.854652
    11 French @ 11.976624
    12 English @ 12.206156
    13 Macedonian @ 12.240404
    14 North_German @ 13.128700
    15 Romanian @ 13.579771
    16 Scottish @ 13.680044
    17 Bulgarian @ 14.030741
    18 Norwegian @ 14.288017
    19 Montenegrin @ 15.629291
    20 Swedish @ 16.071339


    Full Eurogenes K15
    Population
    North_Sea 18.30 Pct
    Atlantic 8.57 Pct
    Baltic 23.07 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 10.86 Pct
    West_Med 11.35 Pct
    West_Asian 9.27 Pct
    East_Med 14.45 Pct
    Red_Sea 3.94 Pct
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -

    Hard to make out anything. I think it is possible he has Sephardic Jewish ancestry like Hrvoje wrote in that thread. It makes the only sense. He really does have high 'Arabian'. Really strange case.

    Does he have elevated Ashkenazi percentage on Eurogenes JTest? I however don't know what Sephardic Jews score on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOldNorth View Post
    obviously he has like 1 turk ancestor from 400 years ago or something
    One Turkish ancestor that far wouldn't show in his results. His father on gedmatch scores very low or none Far Asian, but high Arabian which is where the fuss is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    One Turkish ancestor that far wouldn't show in his results. His father on gedmatch scores very low or none Far Asian, but high Arabian which is where the fuss is.
    You have G25 I can run a model for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by marco View Post
    You have G25 I can run a model for you
    Ask Ljubic.

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    i don't get it. where is the middle easten ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    i don't get it. where is the middle easten ancestry?
    Red_Sea

    He also has high Arabian + A bit North_African on K36.

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