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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    It depends west libyans are mainly NA with the berbers of the djebel nefoussa scoring very high amount of NA but eastern libyans on the other side are mainly Middle easterners (it's probably the only region in NA where berbers have been successfully replaced). As for egyptians i don't really know much about them ( i've seen some of them scoring a lot of NA 70-80% but I've also seen some of them scoring lots of levantine so it can vary).

    All maghrebis are mainly berber and the purest of them are found in Chenini (tunisia), among mozabites (algeria) and also soussi (morocco). Coastal berbers tend to have less ssa and more european components than other NAs. Saudis never really settled in NA(except in eastern libya and some parts of Egypt) and during the conquest of the maghreb they mainly used freshly converted berber tribes from libya. The only moment when arabs came in high number was during the hilalian invasions ( fatimids wanted to punish their zirid vassals so they sent turbulent arabian tribes to north-west africa. These arab tribes did a lot of damages but were finally defeated by the almohads and taken to morocco to fight in spain against the christians. These arabs didn't really impacted the demography of the region but from a socio-cultural point of view they clearly played a big role and amplified the arabization process).
    although dna test mey see otherwise there definitely (if we follow history book about the Maghreb) still here in the Maghreb (well after they where defeated by the Almohads and deportation of some of them in the Moroccan region) and where not assimilated by the natives neither they did mass replacement of of it's Berber population (however they did mix with the local population which resulted in altering there blood/phenotype) so either the DNA test got wrong (or there is some DNA project that suggested they did an at least partial impact on the region) or no or few DNA trace of them is found in the Maghreb region so the historian got completely wrong
    Last edited by dark-mysterio; 12-15-2019 at 09:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark-mysterio View Post
    although dna test mey see otherwise there definitely (if we follow history book about the Maghreb) still here in the Maghreb (well after they where defeated by the Almohads and deportation of some of them in the Moroccan region) and where not assimilated by the natives neither they did mass replacement of of it's Berber population (however they did mix with the local population which resulted in altering there blood/phenotype) so either there the DNA got wrong (or there is some DNA project that suggested they did an at least partial impact on the region) or no or few DNA trace of them is found in the Maghreb region so the historian got completely wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by samario View Post
    What about Libyans? Also are Egyptians more related to Levantines? 23AndMe class them together.

    I think Moroccans and Algerians might be the ones who remain the truest to their Berber roots? Can someone please shed some light on the matter.

    Also did many Saudis settle North Africa at the time they seized power.
    There is no Saudis in NA it's a recent state but in Saudi Arabia there is a lot of egyptians

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    Not all Moroccans are curly .

    I think my hair is straight and a little bit wavy.

    Why are long hair the new fashion for NA ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark-mysterio View Post
    although dna test mey see otherwise there definitely (if we follow history book about the Maghreb) still here in the Maghreb (well after they where defeated by the Almohads and deportation of some of them in the Moroccan region) and where not assimilated by the natives neither they did mass replacement of of it's Berber population (however they did mix with the local population which resulted in altering there blood/phenotype) so either the DNA test got wrong (or there is some DNA project that suggested they did an at least partial impact on the region) or no or few DNA trace of them is found in the Maghreb region so the historian got completely wrong
    These arabs were a tiny minority and were absorbed with time ..today their descendants are mainly berber with a small arab component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    These arabs were a tiny minority and were absorbed with time ..today their descendants are mainly berber with a small arab component.
    can you give my dna project source or historian book source (source i could compare with the one i know) thank you please ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numidia View Post
    There is no Saudis in NA it's a recent state but in Saudi Arabia there is a lot of egyptians



    Why are long hair the new fashion for NA ?
    I have no idea if it's a new fashion, I've had it from when I was a kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark-mysterio View Post
    can you give my dna project source or historian book source (source i could compare with the one i know) thank you please ?
    for the cultural impact : https://www.persee.fr/doc/remmm_0035..._num_35_1_1979

    for genetics :
    North African populations are also ethnically complex, and it is common to differentiate between Arab and Berber (Amazigh) groups based on cultural practices, such as language. Although historically and sociologically this consideration is assumed, no genetic differences have been reported between Arabs and Berbers when analyzing individual genetic markers (Bosch et al. 1997,, 2001; Plaza et al. 2003; Arredi et al. 2004; Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011b; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2013; Bekada et al. 2015).However, the present analysis of additional Berber samples reinforces the idea of no strong genetic distinction between Arabs and most Berber groups.
    source : source : https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article...80801#58231020

    Genetic studies show no differences between arabic speakers and berber speakers in the Maghreb.

    As for my personal sources (my books) :

    - "Le Maroc: une terre, des hommes", de André Ménard (https://maroc-hebdo.press.ma/maroc-t...e-andre-menard)

    - " Les Berbčres : Mémoire et identité" by Gabriel Camps ( https://www.amazon.fr/Berb%C3%A8res-.../dp/2742769226)

    - "Histoire du Maroc" by Michel Abitbol ( https://www.amazon.fr/Histoire-du-Ma...s%2C147&sr=1-3)

    - "Histoire de l'Afrique du Nord: Egypte, Libye, Tunisie, Algérie, Maroc. Des origines ŕ nos jours" by Bernard Lugan ( https://www.amazon.fr/Histoire-lAfri...sap_bc?ie=UTF8)

    - "Histoire du Maroc" by Bernard Lugan ( https://www.amazon.fr/Histoire-du-Ma...sap_bc?ie=UTF8 )

    I also have lots of Pdf books and if you want more informations about berbers there is the berber encyclopedia : https://journals.openedition.org/encyclopedieberbere/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    for the cultural impact : https://www.persee.fr/doc/remmm_0035..._num_35_1_1979

    for genetics :

    source : source : https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article...80801#58231020

    Genetic studies show no differences between arabic speakers and berber speakers in the Maghreb.

    As for my personal sources (my books) :

    - "Le Maroc: une terre, des hommes", de André Ménard (https://maroc-hebdo.press.ma/maroc-t...e-andre-menard)

    - " Les Berbčres : Mémoire et identité" by Gabriel Camps ( https://www.amazon.fr/Berb%C3%A8res-.../dp/2742769226)

    - "Histoire du Maroc" by Michel Abitbol ( https://www.amazon.fr/Histoire-du-Ma...s%2C147&sr=1-3)

    - "Histoire de l'Afrique du Nord: Egypte, Libye, Tunisie, Algérie, Maroc. Des origines ŕ nos jours" by Bernard Lugan ( https://www.amazon.fr/Histoire-lAfri...sap_bc?ie=UTF8)

    - "Histoire du Maroc" by Bernard Lugan ( https://www.amazon.fr/Histoire-du-Ma...sap_bc?ie=UTF8 )

    I also have lots of Pdf books and if you want more informations about berbers there is the berber encyclopedia : https://journals.openedition.org/encyclopedieberbere/
    ok thank you but do you have any pre-colonial in Africa source ? thank you please

    ps: i accept english sources
    Last edited by dark-mysterio; 12-16-2019 at 03:45 PM.

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    tunisian berber imput is very low!!!
    tunisians are greco-roman-punics


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