Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[vbnetkhio]

Excellent idea, I want to do same for Croatian averages but am unable to do so myself.

My idea is as following:

Southern (Dalmatia, Lika, all of BiH)
North and Central (Zagorje, central)
Eastern (Slavonia)
Western (Istria and Primorje, Gorski kotar)

+ one general average

If you wish, you can do them. I posted few results recently in south Slav (Commonsense did too) thread that need to be added as well.

i would put Dalmatia, Herzegovina and West Bosnia into "southern", and Lika, proper Bosnia, Istria and Slavonia into "central".



the Slavonian average is weird, you can see it's a little bit outlying from the rest. i don't think it's the true Slavonian Croat average. 3 out of 7 samples aren't purely from Slavonia, and among the other 4 one is super northern shifted and one is super southern.

but you decide.

[Jana]

i would put Dalmatia, Herzegovina and West Bosnia into "southern", and Lika, proper Bosnia, Istria and Slavonia into "central".



the Slavonian average is weird, you can see it's a little bit outlying from the rest. i don't think it's the true Slavonian Croat average. 3 out of 7 samples aren't purely from Slavonia, and among the other 4 one is super northern shifted and one is super southern.

but you decide.

Makes sense. So if you do them big thanks. Person who has 70 Slavonian samples unfortunately never sent them to Hrvoje, so if you divide them like that it's cool.
I'm just worried labels would confuse people.

I mean, nobody would guess Slavonia and Istria are in centre. Still, go ahead, based on PCA your division makes most sense.

[vbnetkhio]

Ok, but why is general Serb average changed?

This one seems correct

Serb,24.72,29.47,17.13,9.20,15.42,1.55,0.55,0.27,0.72,0.53,0.30,0.08,0.05

I made some small changes. I merged East Serbia into the Central average, and not with Southern as before, because i noticed based on the current samples they don't seem very south shifted or Romanian admixed at all.
I also included mixed samples now (e.g. north Bosnia+Vojvodina mixed people in the northern average)

do you think the old one had better med/west asian proportions?

[vbnetkhio]

If they exist Romanian/Vlach samples form NE Serbia?

these ones:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6364354
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...om-East-Serbia

they are not 100% confirmed though.

[Ion Basescul]

Please update the following for K13. Don't delete the rest, only duplicates.

Moldova_North,23.76,34.32,14.70,9.76,12.20,1.53,0.33,0.50,1.73,0.48,0.32,0.04,0.32
Moldova_average,23.08,30.46,15.56,10.11,14.74,1.91,0.82,0.58,1.43,0.52,0.37,0.10,0.22

Romania_Moldavia_North,24.59,30.31,15.10,9.37,14.81,1.70,0.82,0.61,1.30,1,0,0,0
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.07,26.78,16.97,9.83,16.69,2.04,0.67,0.54,1.08,0.67,0.39,0.10,0.16
Romania_Wallachia,22.35,24.81,17.64,11.14,18.53,2.09,0.75,0.65,0.96,0.52,0.35,0.11,0.09
Romania_Muntenia,21.91,24.66,17.54,11.35,18.87,2.19,0.72,0.55,1.03,0.59,0.35,0.13,0.10
Romania_Oltenia,23.52,25.05,17.97,10.73,17.82,1.79,0.70,0.79,0.69,0.38,0.36,0.10,0.09
Romania_Dobruja,22.11,24.93,17.64,11.00,18.49,2.23,0.71,0.87,1.25,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.06
Romania_Transylvania,24.31,25.97,17.43,10.13,16.98,1.84,0.65,0.54,1.04,0.59,0.35,0.07,0.10
Romania_Maramures,24.38,28.43,16.90,9.19,15.65,2.06,1.06,0.73,0.75,0.29,0.49,0.05,0.00
Romania_Crisana,25.58,26.36,17.69,9.50,16.32,1.25,0.82,0.62,0.85,0.59,0.25,0.12,0.06
Romania_Banat,22.75,25.65,17.78,10.71,17.71,2.06,0.84,0.55,1.21,0.40,0.21,0.07,0.09

The average for Moldova is weighted according to population compared to the old one (Moldova_average,23.50,29.88,15.61,9.93,15.16,1.86 ,0.85,0.62,1.32,0.53,0.41,0.14,0.20)

Weight in country	Region
27.00%	North
52.90%	Centre
20.00%	South

Reminder to update the above

[Dušan]

I made some small changes. I merged East Serbia into the Central average, and not with Southern as before, because i noticed based on the current samples they don't seem very south shifted or Romanian admixed at all.
I also included mixed samples now (e.g. north Bosnia+Vojvodina mixed people in the northern average)

do you think the old one had better med/west asian proportions?

Yes, I think that this general average is better

Serb,24.72,29.47,17.13,9.20,15.42,1.55,0.55,0.27,0.72,0.53,0.30,0.08,0.05

than this new one

Serb,24.71,29.16,17.05,9.00,16.03,1.69,0.51,0.26,0.67,0.44,0.33,0.07,0.07

In second, east Med and Red Sea components are a bit exaggerated.

[vbnetkhio]

Makes sense. So if you do them big thanks. Person who has 70 Slavonian samples unfortunately never sent them to Hrvoje, so if you divide them like that it's cool.

and yet she uses vahaduo
doesn't she realize the how much she would improve the tool if she donated her results?

I'm just worried labels would confuse people.

I mean, nobody would guess Slavonia and Istria are in centre. Still, go ahead, based on PCA your division makes most sense.

on a second look, maybe Bosnia proper isn't plotting correctly because of a small sample (12). and Dalmatia looks closer to Istria and Lika than to Herzegovina and Tropolje.

so we could use Littoral (Dalmatia+Lika+Istria), North(or Central? - Northwest+Central+Kotar), East(Slavonia), and Bosnian(Bosnian+Herzegovinian)

[Jana]

and yet she uses vahaduo
doesn't she realize the how much she would improve the tool if she donated her results?



on a second look, maybe Bosnia proper isn't plotting correctly because of a small sample (12). and Dalmatia looks closer to Istria and Lika than to Herzegovina and Tropolje.

so we could use Littoral (Dalmatia+Lika+Istria), North(or Central? - Northwest+Central+Kotar), East(Slavonia), and Bosnian(Bosnian+Herzegovinian)

Maybe she wanted to send them, but saw that copying values of 70 samples and running them on K13 was too much work? Who knows, maybe she still sends them.

Here are last individual samples that should be added if you haven't already (from s.slavic thread)

Croat_Dalmatia,29.89,31.61,18.81,8.21,9.33,0,0,1.11,1.03,0,0,0,0
Croat_Dalmatia,24.71,28.52,17.72,11.72,15.37,0.09,0,0.5 5,0.77,0.24,0.21,0,0.07
Croat_Zagorje,32.02,36.28,12.94,2.90,12.11,1.28,0,0,2.0 4,0,0.38,0,0
Croat_Herzegovina,25.68,31.98,18.06,7.46,12.86,1.4,0.91,0.07,1.51,0.06,0,0,0
Croat_Kvarner,33.52,33.8,11.86,6.4,11.11,0.96,0,0,0.11,1.35,0.19,0,0.69

What about this divison?

Panonnia (Zagorje+Central+Slavonia+Gorski kotar) - yeah Gorski kotar isn't technically Panonnia but population is very Central European in origin, and culturally too
Dinaric Alps (Lika+Bosnia proper+west Bosnia+Herzegovina) - Lika is mostly Bunjevac origin, same culture like BiH and topography, should be with them IMO
Adriatic (Istria+Kvarner+Dalmatia)
+ one general average for all

This division would be nice I think.

[vbnetkhio]

Maybe she wanted to send them, but saw that copying values of 70 samples and running them on K13 was too much work? Who knows, maybe she still sends them.

well the kit numbers would be enough. yes, let's hope she shares them one day.

Here are last individual samples that should be added if you haven't already (from s.slavic thread)

Croat_Dalmatia,29.89,31.61,18.81,8.21,9.33,0,0,1.11,1.03,0,0,0,0
Croat_Dalmatia,24.71,28.52,17.72,11.72,15.37,0.09,0,0.5 5,0.77,0.24,0.21,0,0.07
Croat_Zagorje,32.02,36.28,12.94,2.90,12.11,1.28,0,0,2.0 4,0,0.38,0,0
Croat_Herzegovina,25.68,31.98,18.06,7.46,12.86,1.4,0.91,0.07,1.51,0.06,0,0,0
Croat_Kvarner,33.52,33.8,11.86,6.4,11.11,0.96,0,0,0.11,1.35,0.19,0,0.69

What about this divison?

Panonnia (Zagorje+Central+Slavonia+Gorski kotar) - yeah Gorski kotar isn't technically Panonnia but population is very Central European in origin, and culturally too
Dinaric Alps (Lika+Bosnia proper+west Bosnia+Herzegovina) - Lika is mostly Bunjevac origin, same culture like BiH and topography, should be with them IMO
Adriatic (Istria+Kvarner+Dalmatia)
+ one general average for all

This division would be nice I think.

i already made these, is it ok?

Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina,25.53,32.41,15.86,8.50,13.91,1.38,0.59,0.25,0.56,0.46,0.35,0.04,0.11
Croat_East,27.42,34.37,13.89,8.65,11.79,1.56,0.03,0.14,1.16,0.62,0.35,0.02,0.01
Croat_Littoral,26.81,32.09,15.78,8.11,13.54,1.40,0.33,0.24,0.56,0.49,0.39,0.13,0.11
Croat_North,31.25,33.42,14.32,7.25,9.92,1.21,0.63,0.31,0.55,0.56,0.33,0.12,0.13

Croat,28.36,33.20,14.93,7.76,11.78,1.44,0.51,0.26,0.57,0.52,0.44,0.10,0.14

the new samples are included.

[Jana]

well the kit numbers would be enough. yes, let's hope she shares them one day.



i already made these, is it ok?

Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina,25.53,32.41,15.86,8.50,13.91,1.38,0.59,0.25,0.56,0.46,0.35,0.04,0.11
Croat_East,27.42,34.37,13.89,8.65,11.79,1.56,0.03,0.14,1.16,0.62,0.35,0.02,0.01
Croat_Littoral,26.81,32.09,15.78,8.11,13.54,1.40,0.33,0.24,0.56,0.49,0.39,0.13,0.11
Croat_North,31.25,33.42,14.32,7.25,9.92,1.21,0.63,0.31,0.55,0.56,0.33,0.12,0.13

Croat,28.36,33.20,14.93,7.76,11.78,1.44,0.51,0.26,0.57,0.52,0.44,0.10,0.14

the new samples are included.

Thank you! Lucas can add them.