Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

**~~Dunai~~** · 03-10-2021, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

Remove Csango from the reference populations, run again, and see what replaces them.

Okay, so it seems Csángó reference doesn't replace Tatars, because this is how Hungarian average looks like on K13 if all Hungarian-like references are removed:

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.2402% / 0.24020629 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.4 Croat_North
23.2 Croat_West
5.3 Afrikaner
5.3 Austrian
1.7 Shors
0.1 Karakalpak

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.9592% / 0.95924017 | ADC: 0.5x RC
67.2 Croat_North
25.5 Croat_West
7.3 Afrikaner

**Peterski** · 03-10-2021, 04:28 PM

But now try after removing just Csango, not all Hungarian-like references.

Also I would recommend No Dist Col if you are checking Hungarian origins.

Using ADC 0.25x is not good for checking deeper ancestry, only for recent.

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Try again also with all Hungarian-like references removed, but No Dist Col.

**Peterski** · 03-10-2021, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dunai

(...)
1.7 Shors
0.1 Karakalpak

TURAN STRONK

BTW, Northern Croats probably also have some Turan, so this 64.4% Croat_North is hiding additional Turan within it, because you used ADC.

**~~Dunai~~** · 03-10-2021, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

But now try after removing just Csango, not all Hungarian-like references.

Also I would recommend No Dist Col if you are checking Hungarian origins.

Using ADC 0.25x is not good for checking deeper ancestry, only for recent.

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Try again also with all Hungarian-like references removed, but No Dist Col.

Well, here you go, but I don't see how this helps, usually these calculators work best when there is a 1 distance at least:
Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.0021% / 0.00213828
3.4 Belarusian_Minsk
2.7 Romania_Crisana
2.6 Russian_Southwest
2.5 Latvian
2.5 Slovenian
2.3 Belorussian
2.3 South_Polish
2.2 Sorb_Lusatia
2.1 Moldova_Ukrainian
1.9 Czech
1.9 Lithuanian
1.8 Croat_West
1.7 Romania_Oltenia
1.7 Ukrainian
1.7 Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.6 Estonian
1.5 Serb_central
1.4 Bulgaria_Southcentral
1.4 Moldova_Centre
1.4 Polish_Masuria
1.3 Italian_Trentino
1.3 Russian_Kargopol
1.2 Albanian
1.2 Croat_South
1.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
1.2 Pomak_Bulgaria
1.1 Serb_north
1.1 Swedish
1.1 Ukrainian_Galicia
1.0 Albanian_Tosk
1.0 Bosniak
1.0 English_Midlands
1.0 Macedonian_North
1.0 North_German
1.0 Southwest_Finnish
0.9 Croat_North
0.9 Denmark
0.9 Greek_Western-Thrace
0.9 Romania_Banat
0.9 Romania_Wallachia
0.9 Serb
0.9 Swiss_German2
0.9 Welsh
0.8 Croat
0.8 Croat_East
0.8 Finnish
0.8 Irish_Connacht
0.8 Polish
0.8 Scottish
0.8 Ukrainian_Carpathian
0.7 Erzya_Mordovian
0.7 Flemish
0.7 German_East
0.7 Greek_West
0.7 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.7 Italian_Liguria
0.7 Serb_south
0.7 Slovak
0.7 Sweden_Götaland
0.7 Sweden_Svealand_East
0.6 Austrian
0.6 Macedonian
0.6 Macedonian_South
0.6 Moldova_North
0.6 Romania_Moldavia_North
0.6 Sweden_Svealand_West
0.6 Swiss_German
0.5 German_West
0.5 Icelandic
0.5 Italian_Lombardy
0.5 Romania_Maramures
0.5 Romania_Muntenia
0.5 Russian_average
0.5 Russian_Pinega
0.5 Russian_Smolensk
0.5 Spanish_Andalucia
0.5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.4 Bosniak_Sandzak
0.4 East_Finnish
0.4 France_south
0.4 German
0.4 Italian_Sardinia
0.4 Moldova_average
0.4 Romania_Dobruja
0.4 Romania_Transylvania
0.4 Swiss_French
0.4 Swiss-Italian2
0.3 Dutch_North
0.3 English_Southeast
0.3 France_Provence
0.3 French
0.3 French_Basque
0.3 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.3 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.3 Greek_Istanbul
0.3 Italian_Veneto
0.3 Orcadian
0.3 Russian_Kostroma
0.3 Southwest_French
0.3 Torbesh_average
0.2 Albanian_Gheg
0.2 Balkan_Gypsy
0.2 Belgian
0.2 Bulgaria_Southwestern
0.2 Dutch
0.2 France_north-west
0.2 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.2 Irish
0.2 Norway_South_Central
0.2 Spanish_Cantabria
0.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.2 Spanish_Valencia
0.2 Swiss_Italian
0.2 Turk_Deliorman
0.2 Turk_Makedonya
0.1 Afrikaner
0.1 Chuvash
0.1 Dai
0.1 France_Central
0.1 France_Corsica
0.1 France_south-west
0.1 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
0.1 Greek_North_Aegean
0.1 Greek_Thessaly
0.1 Irish_Munster
0.1 Italian_Calabria
0.1 Italian_Emilia
0.1 Italian_Friuli_VG
0.1 Italian_Jewish
0.1 Lahu
0.1 Moldova_Jewish
0.1 Moldova_South
0.1 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
0.1 North-Swedish
0.1 Norwegian
0.1 Pennsylvania_Dutch
0.1 Pomak_Greece
0.1 Romania_average
0.1 Romania_Moldavia_South
0.1 Turk_Trakya
0.1 Turkmen
0.1 Uygur
0.1 Yagnobi

**Peterski** · 03-10-2021, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dunai

Well, here you go, but I don't see how this helps, usually these calculators work best when there is a 1 distance at least:
Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.0021% / 0.00213828
3.4 Belarusian_Minsk
2.7 Romania_Crisana
2.6 Russian_Southwest
2.5 Latvian
2.5 Slovenian
2.3 Belorussian
2.3 South_Polish
2.2 Sorb_Lusatia
2.1 Moldova_Ukrainian
1.9 Czech
1.9 Lithuanian
1.8 Croat_West
1.7 Romania_Oltenia
1.7 Ukrainian
1.7 Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.6 Estonian
1.5 Serb_central
1.4 Bulgaria_Southcentral
1.4 Moldova_Centre
1.4 Polish_Masuria
1.3 Italian_Trentino
1.3 Russian_Kargopol
1.2 Albanian
1.2 Croat_South
1.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
1.2 Pomak_Bulgaria
1.1 Serb_north
1.1 Swedish
1.1 Ukrainian_Galicia
1.0 Albanian_Tosk
1.0 Bosniak
1.0 English_Midlands
1.0 Macedonian_North
1.0 North_German
1.0 Southwest_Finnish
0.9 Croat_North
0.9 Denmark
0.9 Greek_Western-Thrace
0.9 Romania_Banat
0.9 Romania_Wallachia
0.9 Serb
0.9 Swiss_German2
0.9 Welsh
0.8 Croat
0.8 Croat_East
0.8 Finnish
0.8 Irish_Connacht
0.8 Polish
0.8 Scottish
0.8 Ukrainian_Carpathian
0.7 Erzya_Mordovian
0.7 Flemish
0.7 German_East
0.7 Greek_West
0.7 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.7 Italian_Liguria
0.7 Serb_south
0.7 Slovak
0.7 Sweden_Götaland
0.7 Sweden_Svealand_East
0.6 Austrian
0.6 Macedonian
0.6 Macedonian_South
0.6 Moldova_North
0.6 Romania_Moldavia_North
0.6 Sweden_Svealand_West
0.6 Swiss_German
0.5 German_West
0.5 Icelandic
0.5 Italian_Lombardy
0.5 Romania_Maramures
0.5 Romania_Muntenia
0.5 Russian_average
0.5 Russian_Pinega
0.5 Russian_Smolensk
0.5 Spanish_Andalucia
0.5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.4 Bosniak_Sandzak
0.4 East_Finnish
0.4 France_south
0.4 German
0.4 Italian_Sardinia
0.4 Moldova_average
0.4 Romania_Dobruja
0.4 Romania_Transylvania
0.4 Swiss_French
0.4 Swiss-Italian2
0.3 Dutch_North
0.3 English_Southeast
0.3 France_Provence
0.3 French
0.3 French_Basque
0.3 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.3 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.3 Greek_Istanbul
0.3 Italian_Veneto
0.3 Orcadian
0.3 Russian_Kostroma
0.3 Southwest_French
0.3 Torbesh_average
0.2 Albanian_Gheg
0.2 Balkan_Gypsy
0.2 Belgian
0.2 Bulgaria_Southwestern
0.2 Dutch
0.2 France_north-west
0.2 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.2 Irish
0.2 Norway_South_Central
0.2 Spanish_Cantabria
0.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.2 Spanish_Valencia
0.2 Swiss_Italian
0.2 Turk_Deliorman
0.2 Turk_Makedonya
0.1 Afrikaner
0.1 Chuvash
0.1 Dai
0.1 France_Central
0.1 France_Corsica
0.1 France_south-west
0.1 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
0.1 Greek_North_Aegean
0.1 Greek_Thessaly
0.1 Irish_Munster
0.1 Italian_Calabria
0.1 Italian_Emilia
0.1 Italian_Friuli_VG
0.1 Italian_Jewish
0.1 Lahu
0.1 Moldova_Jewish
0.1 Moldova_South
0.1 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
0.1 North-Swedish
0.1 Norwegian
0.1 Pennsylvania_Dutch
0.1 Pomak_Greece
0.1 Romania_average
0.1 Romania_Moldavia_South
0.1 Turk_Trakya
0.1 Turkmen
0.1 Uygur
0.1 Yagnobi

But why the fuck is this such a loooooong result ???

It seems nMonte doesn't work well with low-K calcs.

**Leto** · 03-10-2021, 05:04 PM

And Chris is still Hungarian in name only!..

Distance to: Chris(Hungarian)
3.53788072 Serb
3.89263407 Moldavian_Center
4.40663137 Montenegrin
5.62415327 Romanian
5.90758834 Macedonian
5.98466373 Moldavian_North
6.30179340 Bosnian
6.90741630 Bulgarian_West
6.98818288 Moldavian_South
7.12516666 Croat

Target: Chris(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.4851% / 2.48510023 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.0 Serb
26.6 Croat
4.8 Georgian_Mingrelian
1.6 Japanese

**Peterski** · 03-10-2021, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

And Chris is still Hungarian in name only!..

Distance to: Chris(Hungarian)
3.53788072 Serb
3.89263407 Moldavian_Center
4.40663137 Montenegrin
5.62415327 Romanian
5.90758834 Macedonian
5.98466373 Moldavian_North
6.30179340 Bosnian
6.90741630 Bulgarian_West
6.98818288 Moldavian_South
7.12516666 Croat

Target: Chris(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.4851% / 2.48510023 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.0 Serb
26.6 Croat
4.8 Georgian_Mingrelian
1.6 Japanese

Maybe he is just a hung Aryan.

**Lucas** · 03-10-2021, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

And Chris is still Hungarian in name only!..

Distance to: Chris(Hungarian)
3.53788072 Serb
3.89263407 Moldavian_Center
4.40663137 Montenegrin
5.62415327 Romanian
5.90758834 Macedonian
5.98466373 Moldavian_North
6.30179340 Bosnian
6.90741630 Bulgarian_West
6.98818288 Moldavian_South
7.12516666 Croat

Target: Chris(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.4851% / 2.48510023 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.0 Serb
26.6 Croat
4.8 Georgian_Mingrelian
1.6 Japanese

Do you remember other Hungarian with such Serbian-like results? And if Chris is from southern Hungary bordering Serbia?

**~~Dunai~~** · 03-10-2021, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

But why the fuck is this such a loooooong result ???

It seems nMonte doesn't work well with low-K calcs.

It seems to be the case with nations who are very heterogenous, like Hungarians are, since I tried it at 0 value with several more homogenous nations, including Polish, and surprisingly they get rather few population references.