Descendant of moriscos part II - Ahmed Piro

[Adamm]

I know some hispanics (South Americans) with 'moravid' as last name, is that a morisco name?

[Nassbean]

Islam entered in Iberia in 711 thanks to the Hispanic Jews that were being masacrated by Visigoths, no Jews fought againts muslims, because Islam were an open mind religion in that times that respected to you if you paid a tax.

The only one that fought against muslim in Al-Andalus were the Mozarabs ( Christians living in Al-Andalus paying a tax like jews ), they were the most part of the population in that times, around 80%, however when entered the fanatics like Almoravids & Almohads, they were forced to scape to the Christian Kingdoms, that situation was really decisive to complete The Reconquista.

In that scenario, we might well wonder:

- Are souther spaniards settlers from the North or are descendents from these mozarabs?

The dream to recover their land in The Reconquista, I think that comes more from the mozarabs than the Castilians.

actually mozarabs were a minority the majority of the muslim population was composed of locals who converted to islam they were called mawali (like maghrebis who converted to islam - same process there)

[Rocinante]

Nope"

I know.

[Rocinante]

Islam entered in Iberia in 711 thanks to the Hispanic Jews that were being masacrated by Visigoths, no Jews fought againts muslims, because Islam were an open mind religion in that times that respected to you if you paid a tax.

The only one that fought against muslim in Al-Andalus were the Mozarabs ( Christians living in Al-Andalus paying a tax like jews ), they were the most part of the population in that times, around 80%, however when entered the fanatics like Almoravids & Almohads, they were forced to scape to the Christian Kingdoms, that situation was really decisive to complete The Reconquista.

In that scenario, we might well wonder:

- Are souther spaniards settlers from the North or are descendents from these mozarabs?

The dream to recover their land in The Reconquista, I think that comes more from the mozarabs than the Castilians.

Sorry gaditano, you and duff are right actually. Nice info!

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, easily

But I don´t know the surname Piro.

Why should you? neither Ahmed is a Spanish surname, fool...
they islamized their names and surnames, for Allah sake...

[Peter Parker]

I doubt that the Moriscos were native Iberians but he is actually one of the very, very, very few North Africans who could easily pass in Southern Europe.
Berid. He must have some recent Spanish ancestors or something like that because the Morisco heritage is way too old to have an impact on Moroccan phenotypes.

But apart from that, Moroccans and Iberians couldn't be further away from each other.

[Hamilcar]

I doubt that the Moriscos were native Iberians but he is actually one of the very, very, very few North Africans who could easily pass in Southern Europe.
Berid. He must have some recent Spanish ancestors or something like that because the Morisco heritage is way too old to have an impact on Moroccan phenotypes.

But apart from that, Moroccans and Iberians couldn't be further away from each other.

Moriscos were local muslim iberians stop with this myth of moors being fully north african or arab that's technically impossible and that's not supported by any historical or genetic study. Secondly the morisco heritage isn't that old (400 years) and back then, moroccans didn't want to mix with them because there were a lot of rumors about them being false muslims so nothing surprising in them staying almost fully iberian.

[Peter Parker]

Sometimes I wish there were time machines lol.
It would surely be fun to see all those Arabic-speaking Atlanto-Med/Gracile-Med/Berid Muslims on the streets of Andalusia that people would later connect with a Roman Catholic Spanish-speaking people.

[Gallop]

In the field known as Torna Alta near Granada Spain, a series of 53 burials were found. The orientation and structures indicate Islamic origin. The features comboined with a Castilian coin dated to the 16th century help confirm the dating of the site as belonging to the morisco population (former Muslims converted to Christianity until their expulsion in 1610 AD). Many of these descend from the local population who had in turn been converted from Chrisianity to Muslim earlier in history.

Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - I7424

Roman Hispania - Romans - Gallo-Roman - Illyrian - Al-Andalus

Roman Hispania + Roman (6.778)
Al-Andalus + Roman (9.008)
Roman + Illyrian (9.47)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (9.789)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (9.873)
Roman (10.3)
Roman Hispania (11.82)
Gallo-Roman (13.78)
Illyrian (14.3)
Al-Andalus (15.69)

Closest Modern

1. Tuscan (10.76)
2. North_Italian (11.90)
3. West_Sicilian (12.70)
4. Kosovar (13.96)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (14.17)
6. Italian_Abruzzo (15.27)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (15.54)
8. Spanish_Murcia (15.71)

Similar Samples

Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) (9.808)
Central Roman (590 AD) (10.3)
Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (10.74)
Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) (10.85)
Central Roman Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) (10.89)

mtDNA: U5b1+16189+@16192


Looks like a Hispanic Roman


Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - I3807

Etruscans - Thracians - Roman Hispania - Illyrians

Etruscan + Thracian (6.737)
Roman Hispania + Etruscan (7.034)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (10.16)
Thracian + Illyrian (10.54)
Etruscan + Illyrian (10.55)
Etruscan (12.49)
Roman Hispania (12.78)
Illyrian (13.03)
Al-Andalus (14.55)
Thracian (15.78)

Closests Modern

1. Portuguese (15.86)
2. North_Italian (15.91)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (16.17)
4. Spanish_Murcia (16.35)
5. Spanish_Galicia (16.59)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (17.73)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (18.00)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (18.24)

Similar Samples

Roman Villa Granada Spain (300 AD) (6.768)
Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (8.782)
Post-Reconquista Granada (1550 AD) (9.378)
Western Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) (10.29)
Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) (10.42)

mtDNA: U6a2

Y-DNA: E1b1b1b1 (CTS1271/M5064)

[Hamilcar]

In the field known as Torna Alta near Granada Spain, a series of 53 burials were found. The orientation and structures indicate Islamic origin. The features comboined with a Castilian coin dated to the 16th century help confirm the dating of the site as belonging to the morisco population (former Muslims converted to Christianity until their expulsion in 1610 AD). Many of these descend from the local population who had in turn been converted from Chrisianity to Muslim earlier in history.

Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - I7424

Roman Hispania - Romans - Gallo-Roman - Illyrian - Al-Andalus

Roman Hispania + Roman (6.778)
Al-Andalus + Roman (9.008)
Roman + Illyrian (9.47)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (9.789)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (9.873)
Roman (10.3)
Roman Hispania (11.82)
Gallo-Roman (13.78)
Illyrian (14.3)
Al-Andalus (15.69)

Closest Modern

1. Tuscan (10.76)
2. North_Italian (11.90)
3. West_Sicilian (12.70)
4. Kosovar (13.96)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (14.17)
6. Italian_Abruzzo (15.27)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (15.54)
8. Spanish_Murcia (15.71)

Similar Samples

Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) (9.808)
Central Roman (590 AD) (10.3)
Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (10.74)
Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) (10.85)
Central Roman Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) (10.89)

mtDNA: U5b1+16189+@16192


Looks like a Hispanic Roman


Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - I3807

Etruscans - Thracians - Roman Hispania - Illyrians

Etruscan + Thracian (6.737)
Roman Hispania + Etruscan (7.034)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (10.16)
Thracian + Illyrian (10.54)
Etruscan + Illyrian (10.55)
Etruscan (12.49)
Roman Hispania (12.78)
Illyrian (13.03)
Al-Andalus (14.55)
Thracian (15.78)

Closests Modern

1. Portuguese (15.86)
2. North_Italian (15.91)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (16.17)
4. Spanish_Murcia (16.35)
5. Spanish_Galicia (16.59)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (17.73)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (18.00)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (18.24)

Similar Samples

Roman Villa Granada Spain (300 AD) (6.768)
Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (8.782)
Post-Reconquista Granada (1550 AD) (9.378)
Western Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) (10.29)
Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) (10.42)

mtDNA: U6a2

Y-DNA: E1b1b1b1 (CTS1271/M5064)

Thanks I've always said the moors in al andalus were mostly iberians not north africans