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Thread: Are Georgians culturally closer to Armenians or to North Caucasians?

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    native peoples of the North Caucasus have almost identical culture and mindset, extremely strong conservatism and tribalism inside the local societies compared to our lovely, silent and peaceful South Caucasian neighbors who had been ruled by monarchism a few centuries ago..

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    Mingrelians are closer to Abkhazians, Svans to Kharachay-Balkarians, Lazes to Hemshins.
    There is also different aspects of culture and ethnopsychis. South Caucasus is warmer then North. People are more open, friendly, loud speaking and so on. While North Caucasians are like North people with less emotions.
    But in majority Kartvelian world is like an island surrounded by non related cultures and peoples.
    I don't feel much similarities neither with Armenians nor with Ossetians.
    Also I don't see North Caucasus like one undividible region. There are Circassians, who lived in the low lands near Black Sea, had early feudalism. Though they are for me enough cold people and far they have high IQ, less tribal sociaty, like Sea people are ready for new changes and development. They also have a lot of G2 like Kartvelians. I see them closer then peoples of Dagestan and other peoples of the East Caucasus who were under Middle East culture.

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    What's about Armenians we have some difference mentality that make us not to love each other.
    For example Ossetians are our historical enemies but in other ways we don't care about them. What's about Armenians they lived here for centuries and made a lot of money. They are like Jews, clever and purposeful. While we are more joyful, like singing, dancing. They are high IQ-ied people strong at science. We are strong at poetry and art. They have historically old historical sources while we have old poetry. So we don't like to graze on one pasture. We don't understand each other.

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    What's about North Caucasian tribalism, anarchism, and conservatism, we are divided for them by the Great Caucasus and have less connections. Think we will not understand each other well. Georgian youth is seeking itself in music, poetry, literature, theatre and a lot of thing. While I see North Caucasian especially it's East part main purpose is to be "like ancestors", marry someone, have children, and dance lezginka in Moscow. We have very different views of life. I think Moscow has such politics not to develop them. That's why there in Russian Federation Caucasian traditions are mythologised. Like ou ye, our tribal culture is specific you don't need any more. Lezginka is cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klarji View Post
    ... I think Moscow has such politics not to develop them. That's why there in Russian Federation Caucasian traditions are mythologised. Like ou ye, our tribal culture is specific you don't need any more. Lezginka is cool.
    Thank you very much for your extended and honest reply. The one thing I disagree with I doubt Kremlin has so much influence on North Caucasian societies as to make them care too much about their traditions. I think it's ingrained in them internally. Kremlin could be interested in something opposite: like making them closer to "an average Russian citizen" which is easy to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user_ View Post
    I do not find Georgian culture really close neither to Armenian, nor to North Caucasian. It has totally different vibe.








    p.s. I voted for Armenia
    Regardless of whom overlaps more with Georgians, I have to say that I like Georgian Culture very much, and I'd probably be very happy there. Ideally (for me) it'd be great to have second residences in Georgia, Armenia, and Cyprus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Thank you very much for your extended and honest reply. The one thing I disagree with I doubd Kremlin has so much influence on North Caucasian societies as to made them care too much about their traditions. I think it's ingrained in them internally. Kremlin could be interested in something opposite: like making them closer to "an average Russian citizen" which is easy to understand.
    Their tribalism and conservatism is not more then that fact that they lived in tribal societies or very early feudalism systems until Russians came.
    But they have been living in state for more then one century. But they are still living tribal societies live. It's very bad for them. They will not survive in the 21th century and tecnological world.
    All metropole try not to develop its colonial lands.

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    Georgia's ethnic population:
    86.8 % Georgian
    6.3 % Azeri
    4.5% Armenian
    2.3% Others

    Others @2.3% include:
    Russians
    Ossetians
    Yazidis
    Ukrainians
    Kists
    Greeks

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/gg.html

    *Ethnic Origins can influence temperaments.
    Azeris in Georgia probably account
    for some hostility against Armenians.

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    If North Caucasians had independent states, they would be more open-minded. Even Azerbaijan has more modern society, than North Caucasus.

    One more thing why I find Armenians closer to us than North Caucasus is demography. Population in both countries are aging, like in west, median age for Georgians is 38, for Armenians 35 and for Dagestan 28.

    I can imagine a confederation of Georgia with Armenia, but with Dagestan not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user_ View Post
    If North Caucasians had independent states, they would be more open-minded. Even Azerbaijan has more modern society, than North Caucasus.

    One more thing why I find Armenians closer to us than North Caucasus is demography. Population in both countries are aging, like in west, median age for Georgians is 38, for Armenians 35 and for Dagestan 28.

    I can imagine a confederation of Georgia with Armenia, but with Dagestan not really.
    Reason 1)religion 2)socio-political evolution 3)modern political spheres
    I know Turkish and Georgian Lazes. Today they are very different though they are one people. But they have lived different lives for centuries. So are Iran Georgians and Georgian Georgians.
    Christian Dagestanis like Udi people. Whom they are closer to?
    To Lezgins or Armenians with who they have one confession of Christianity? Who is to you closer Russians or Iran Georgians who we have not seen for 400 years?
    We have background but we different ways of evolution.
    10 years ago Russian movies were translated every New Year as they were too close for Georgian TV viewers. New generation like my nephew who was grown up on West movies watching it does not know any more on which minute he has to laugh or what they are about. Like Persia is a far Near East country for us, with exotic culture while 300 years ago our granpas knew Persian language and literature better then Georgian.

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