Erdogan threatens to recognise killings of Native Americans as genocide

[DarkSecret]

I mean is there any doubt about this? Really? If it were any european group that went through what native americans went through it would have been classified as such with no doubt lmfao

It's bigotry nothing more. Everything they do is good the others are evil blah blah. Let's vote for if God exists yeeaaah! Wtf is this.

[IrisSelene]

It's bigotry nothing more. Everything they do is good the others are evil blah blah. Let's vote for if God exists yeeaaah! Wtf is this.

I'm the type that can forgive the past and learn from it but we have to call things as what they are... They did invade a land and killed the natives. That's just facts. But I wouldn't blame the people from nowadays for it, it's left on their ancestors' conscience.

[Hithaeglir]

Yes loud and clear, even though Erdogan and Trump suck equally!!

[JosephK]

My goodness, people. The concept of genocide was invented long after the Anglo/Spanish conquest of the Americas. Western Enlightenment and Liberalism developed from this experience. Also, American Indians were horrific savages and rarely tolerated newcomers, resulting in the bloodshed that followed.

Also, they weren't "Americans" yet. They were English and Spanish explorers, religious fanatics, rebels, and criminals.

[Dianatomia]

Turkey(Ottoman Empire) didn't invade Greece during the WWI or after the WWI it is vice versa. Officially you can't just decide on killing people just because they are the remnants of a conqueror country of the past. Just like any "Indians" can't kill white Americans in New York and defend themselves like this. Again funny...

You don't have the right to kill anyone for the kicks. But you have the right to fight for independence in an empire which has subjugated you. Especially if you are a majority population with a thousands of years old continuous cultural and literary tradition in that particular region. Then you have the moral high ground without question. Just like the Greeks who fought in the early 19th century against the Ottoman empire, so did other Greeks decades later.

Also the Armenians were natives in those regions. Their struggles for freedom were virtuous. The Young Turks understood and respected this logic and this is why they sought to exterminate/depopulate Christians. After the population exchanges, once modern Turkey was established, no one has ever invaded Turkey. After all, the Armenians were mostly exterminated and i.e. the Greeks couldn't fight for the ideal of freedom anymore.

I agree that in part, the Turkish perspective has some value. Just because it was conquered centuries ago doesn't mean that you have the right to annex it centuries after. It is irrelevant if some majority Muslim areas were once Byzantine or whatever. I give the moral high-ground to the majority population living in that region at that point of time. But you see, there were majority populations in the coastal area's and the Eastern parts of Anatolia who were Greek and Armenian. For those areas the struggles have been just. The population exchanges should have been applicable only to minority populations. I.e. Turks from the Balkans, Greeks from inner Anatolia etc.

[Ülev]

"The white race didn't do anything that the Comanche didn't do, they just did it better" - David Yeagley, great-great-grandson of Comanche leader Bad Eagle, 2012

[Thanas Django]

You don't have the right to kill anyone for the kicks. But you have the right to fight for independence in an empire which has subjugated you. Especially if you are a majority population with a thousands of years old continuous cultural and literary tradition in that particular region. Then you have the moral high ground without question. Just like the Greeks who fought in the early 19th century against the Ottoman empire, so did other Greeks decades later.

Also the Armenians were natives in those regions. Their struggles for freedom were virtuous. The Young Turks understood and respected this logic and this is why they sought to exterminate/depopulate Christians. After the population exchanges, once modern Turkey was established, no one has ever invaded Turkey. After all, the Armenians were mostly exterminated and i.e. the Greeks couldn't fight for the ideal of freedom anymore.

I agree that in part, the Turkish perspective has some value. Just because it was conquered centuries ago doesn't mean that you have the right to annex it centuries after. It is irrelevant if some majority Muslim areas were once Byzantine or whatever. I give the moral high-ground to the majority population living in that region at that point of time. But you see, there were majority populations in the coastal area's and the Eastern parts of Anatolia who were Greek and Armenian. For those areas the struggles have been just. The population exchanges should have been applicable only to minority populations. I.e. Turks from the Balkans, Greeks from inner Anatolia etc.

It's nice of you to abstract to some higher justice which yields moral high grounds to different ethnicities struggling for their independence but in this case you are wasting your time. You see, Darksecret is an expert in writing confusing wordsalads, he even gets paid for it. He will now expertly throw another word salad which has nothing to do with anything, claim Turkish moral superiority at all cases and receive his paycheck from papa Erdogan.

You see, spreading misinformation and countering good arguments with ardent Bullshittry is Darksecret's job.

[FinalFlash]

america is worst thing in human history. most barbar and dangerous country. worst than nazis. god save us from america

[Armenian Bishop]

"The white race didn't do anything that the Comanche didn't do, they just did it better" - David Yeagley, great-great-grandson of Comanche leader Bad Eagle, 2012

David Yeagley died from cancer in 2014.

[DarkSecret]

Yes! It's time to do this. If genocides are things that are recognized in parliaments then it's time to do it in our parliament too. Let the voting start!