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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    They were not Jews, but professed Judaism. However, it is not clear whether only the ruling elite or the people. Changing religion is not such a factor in changing genetics, especially that they were not neighbors with true Jews
    This makes no sense whatsoever. Judaism is a religion, people adhering to that religion are Jews, it's as simple as that.

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    [QUOTE = Annihilus; 6404389] Това няма смисъл. Иудаизмът е религия, хората, които се придържат към тази религия, са евреи, това е толкова просто. [/ ЦИТО]
    Are all Arabs who profess Islam? Judaism, as a religion, cannot be made Semitic by the Turkic people
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    [QUOTE = Annihilus; 6404389] Това няма смисъл. Иудаизмът е религия, хората, които се придържат към тази религия, са евреи, това е толкова просто. [/ ЦИТО]
    Are all Arabs who profess Islam? Judaism, as a religion, cannot be made Semitic by the Turkic people
    Do you know that most of the Ashkenazi's today stem from a handful of coverted european women? Their y and mtdna is from all over the place.

    chinese jews



    There was a time in history when judaism grew mostly by way of conversion. A turkic can be a muslim or christian, why not a jew? Makes no sense.

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    If they are trying to find a current genetic link between khazars and jews they should not look for it in ashkenazi but the Russian jews. After all they come from the same area.



    My views are not to delegitimize Israel btw. My view is if you can take land and defend it, it is yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilus View Post
    If they are trying to find a current genetic link between khazars and jews they should not look for it in ashkenazi but the Russian jews. After all they come from the same area.

    [img]https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/all/2016/11/08/jewish_museum_and_tolerance_centre_000_dv1505602_b .jpg[/im]

    My views are not to delegitimize Israel btw. My view is if you can take land and defend it, it is yours.
    Almost all Russian Jews are Ashkenazi. And when people say "Russian Jews", the almost always refer to the Ashkenazi ones. If you want to be technical, Mizrachi Jews live in the Northern Caucasus. And now that Crimea has been effectively annexed, Crimean Karaites and Krymchaks (of whom maybe 50 remain) live in Russia.

    All the ones in your pic are Ashkenazi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilus View Post
    Do you know that most of the Ashkenazi's today stem from a handful of coverted european women? Their y and mtdna is from all over the place.

    chinese jews



    There was a time in history when judaism grew mostly by way of conversion. A turkic can be a muslim or christian, why not a jew? Makes no sense.
    Show me a turkic Druze.

    You're also mischaracterizing the haplogroup data. Most of the maternal lineages seems to be European in origin, while Ashkenazi YDNA is overwhelmingly Middle Eastern in origin. And 5 Chinese Jews, who may not even be recognized by many Rabbis, don't change anything. There are also Black Abkhazians. Can anyone be Abkhazian now? This is about as silly as when you deduced Jews descend from vikings because of that counter AIDS mutation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Show me a turkic Druze.

    You're also mischaracterizing the haplogroup data. Most of the maternal lineages seems to be European in origin, while Ashkenazi YDNA is overwhelmingly Middle Eastern in origin. And 5 Chinese Jews, who may not even be recognized by many Rabbis, don't change anything. There are also Black Abkhazians. Can anyone be Abkhazian now? This is about as silly as when you deduced Jews descend from vikings because of that counter AIDS mutation.
    That is not what I said, what I said was that it was odd that Israel had such a high mutation rate sticking out like a sore thumb compared to neighbouring countries and unless vikings were doing aliyah at that time there had to be another explanation.

    There is a history of judaism in China, those ladies aren't recent converts. You just don't want to accept them because it doesn't fit your bill.

    Ashkenazim don't plot in Isreal, that's all I need to know.

    It's just a religion, get over it


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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilus View Post
    That is not what I said, what I said was that it was odd that Israel had such a high mutation rate sticking out like a sore thumb compared to neighbouring countries and unless vikings were doing aliyah at that time there had to be another explanation.

    There is a history of judaism in China, those ladies aren't recent converts. You just don't want to accept them because it doesn't fit your bill.

    Ashkenazim don't plot in Isreal, that's all I need to know.

    It's just a religion, get over it

    Jews have diverged from their Palestinian-like ancestors over the last couple thousand years. To me, they are simply a religious group now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilus View Post
    That is not what I said, what I said was that it was odd that Israel had such a high mutation rate sticking out like a sore thumb compared to neighbouring countries and unless vikings were doing aliyah at that time there had to be another explanation.

    There is a history of judaism in China, those ladies aren't recent converts. You just don't want to accept them because it doesn't fit your bill.

    Ashkenazim don't plot in Isreal, that's all I need to know.

    It's just a religion, get over it
    There are maybe 1k Chinese Jews in total, which are very likely not to be recognized by many Rabbis (not Pine).

    By your reasoning, every admixed population is now stripped off their roots: Mexicans from Mexico, African Americans from Africa etc. By your plotting rule, Ashkenazim are now Mediterranean mermaids.

    And such mutations aren't indicative of admixture proportions. Even if they were, would that cancel out Ashkenazi medical genetics typical of Middle Easterners?

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    Unfortunately nothing about Hungary or Hungarians is mentioned either. Too bad.

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