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    Quote Originally Posted by Beers View Post
    I would just read his criticism of this particular paper, and make a decision based off of that, if I was you.
    To call him a "joke," and not even read his criticism of this paper in question, kind of makes you look like a joke...
    Instead of you criticizing his use of genetic proxies of Khazars in a previous paper (which he took heavy fire for), how about reading his response to Mikheyev et al. (2019), ***this paper*** and opine on the facts in discussion?
    You can't assume I haven't read it. It's him throwing everything he can, hoping something sticks. His ex co-author is in the paper, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beers View Post
    Try replacing your post with this and it will highlight your logical fallacy:

    Now tell Italy to redraw maps and make South Italy and Sicily a neutral zone between the Levant and Europe...
    Send that message to Crete and mainland Southern Greece, too.

    So, peripheral Southern Europeans can't be described as "somewhere in between" because they're geographically and culturally European? Try applying the same method to Jewish geographic and cultural origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernMaskil View Post
    So, peripheral Southern Europeans can't be described as "somewhere in between" because they're geographically and culturally European? Try applying the same method to Jewish geographic and cultural origin.
    Might be an apt post if we were discussing culture/geography, unfortunately for you we were discussing POPULATION GENETICS.
    Did you miss that part?
    Nice way to ignore the OP and move the goal post...
    Obfuscate about the nebulous and completely opinion based realm of being "culturally European," add "geography" for some baffling reason, and ignore the science of population genetics which the OP was discussing.
    Yes Ashkenazim are at home like two peas in their pod in the middle of the Arab/Iranian/Turkish, Middle East, their culture fits in so well with the natives.
    Sarcasm off...

    Population genetics/autosomal DNA does give a geographical location to the origins of Ashkenazim, squarely in Greco-Roman Southern Europe, and well outside the Eastern Mediterranean (to be specific Israel).
    Hey you got a pity up-vote, so in 2020 that is all that matters, popularity,YEA!
    Integrity and honest debate not so much....
    Good for you Jake Tapper!
    P.S. "Veteran Judean," take your juice-box and swallow your meds now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beers View Post
    Might be an apt post if we were discussing culture/geography, unfortunately for you we were discussing POPULATION GENETICS.
    Did you miss that part?
    Nice way to ignore the OP and move the goal post...
    Hey you got a pity up-vote, so in 2020 that is all that matters, popularity,YEA!
    Integrity and honest debate not so much....
    Good for you Jake Tapper!
    P.S. "Veteran Judean," take your juice-box and swallow your meds now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beers View Post

    Now tell Italy to redraw maps and make South Italy and Sicily a neutral zone between the Levant and Europe...
    Send that message to Crete and mainland Southern Greece, too.
    Make sure to tell all of them that they aren't Europeans, as well.
    I don't know chief, this sounds a hell of a lot like geography and not much like population genetics to me.
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    I've ranted about this shit before and I'll rant about it again and again, let's first of all look at the facts. First of all it's impossible for Ashkenazi to be Khazar converts, mainly because of the historical geographic placement for Levantine Jews, many of them were in Southern Europe, which makes sense given the plotted points on their closest Genetic details. 50% of the Ashkenazi genepool is Southern Italian and Greek Islander, 35% is West Asian (Levantine), 10% Slavic and 10% North African, this has made Ashkenazi Jews some of the most phenotypically diverse people in Europe, but all Jews have a "Specific" look for a reason, whether it be the "Armenoid or Assyroid" features that many Jews have been historically stereotyped with or the fact how most Jews have Dark hair and eyes would also add to this logic. Jews do NOT descend from Khazars...

    Genetic Cluster of European Jews, specifically Ashkenazi (The ethnic group accused of being Khazars)
    West Eruasian Genetic cluster.png
    Genetic cluster of different people in West Eruasia zoomed in.png
    Ashkenazi genetic distance.png

    What "Khazars" were noted by Ancient Arab Sources to have looked like
    Khazar theory.png

    What most Ashkenazi Jews look like, here are some celebrities and various Ashkenazi Jews:
    Ashkenazi Jewish People 7.png
    Ashkenazi Jewish People 6.png
    Ashkenazi Jewish People 5.png
    Ashkenazi Jews 27.jpg
    Ashkenazi Jews 23.jpg
    Ashkenazis 100% Khazars bro.jpg
    Donna Feldman 2.jpg
    Joshua Radin.jpg
    Sarah Silverman.png
    Ann Frank 2.jpg
    Ashkenazi Jews 20.jpg
    And I'm really only scraping the surface here, if you google "Are there any Ashkenazi jews who are typical levant looking" you will find tons of them

    "BUT BUT MANY ASHKENAZIS HAVE RED HAIR ....."

    Lmfao many people in the Levant have Redhair, in fact it's actually native to the region. Moses was described by early biblical sources as being Ginger and many Levantine people today like many Ashkenazi can have Redhair. It literally means nothing

    Ashkenazi Jews with Redhair
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    Ashkenazi Jewish people 3.jpg

    Looking no different to Syrians/Lebanese with Redhair
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    Another Readhead Syrian.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beers View Post
    This paper is flawed and nothing more than junk science in regard to the subject of Ashkenazim and their possible Khazar admixture.
    Click this link below and read this response to this paper by Dr. Eran Elhaik, and put some balance into this thread.

    Diverse genetic origins of medieval steppe nomad conquerors – a response to Mikheyev et al. (2019)
    Dr. Eran Elhaik
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...01.06.885103v1
    Elhaik is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    Elhaik is a joke.
    Yes which we talked about this in Anthrogenica.

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