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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverKnight View Post
    #1 - Ah disminuido lo de la "Espana vacia" ?
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    2nda pregunta: Que pasa con lo de Espana y Moroco, osea lo del Sahara Occidental? puede y Quiere Espana ese territorio perdido?
    1-No, sigue exactamente igual.

    2-No, no hay ningún interés en recuperarlo, si hay cierta opinión social contraria a que Marruecos lo haya practicamente asimilado y a la forma en la que se hizo con su control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverKnight View Post
    #1 - Ah disminuido lo de la "Espana vacia" ?
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    2nda pregunta: Que pasa con lo de Espana y Moroco, osea lo del Sahara Occidental? puede y Quiere Espana ese territorio perdido?
    La España vaciada se sigue vaciando cada vez que tiene oportunidad, es triste, pero es así.

    Las ciudades grandes se están comiendo la vida rural en muchos aspectos, y tiene pinta que este gobierno solo empeorará la situación en el campo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    Or the Anglo-American War of 1812 where the British and Canadians burned the White House.
    Good point! The USA beat the british not once, but TWICE!

    It was the british that burned the whitehouse, (canada didnt exist then, but i understand why they would want to claim it) but the USA won the war of 1812: the naval blockade stopped and brits got sent running out of new orleans.

    Actually if you really think about it; the USA beat the UK 3 times if you include the civil war, when the UK backed the southern slave states.

    So yea...American beat the british in 3 wars total.

    Sad how the US was stupid enough to turn around and spend so many lives saving the uk and western europe from russia or the nazis.

    What a waste that was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jingorex View Post
    Good point! The USA beat the british not once, but TWICE!

    It was the british that burned the whitehouse, (canada didnt exist then, but i understand why they would want to claim it) but the USA won the war of 1812: the naval blockade stopped and brits got sent running out of new orleans.

    Actually if you really think about it; the USA beat the UK 3 times if you include the civil war, when the UK backed the southern slave states.

    So yea...American beat the british in 3 wars total.

    Sad how the US was stupid enough to turn around and spend so many lives saving the uk and western europe from russia or the nazis.

    What a waste that was.
    The British were Pro-Confederate?

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    2020 and someone believing that the USA saved Europe from nazis and russians by love instead of self-interest to impose their own politico-economical system.

    That's between idiocy and hipocresy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jingorex View Post
    Some British people are STILL very butthurt and insecure about what went down in 1776.

    It was a long time ago, longbowboy should get over it.

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    In the case of Spain, I think that is more present the loose of Cuba, Puerto Rico and Philipines than the firsts independences of Iberoamerican countries after the Napoleonic wars. Also is a more recent issue.

    What is ridiculous is the image of Bolivar that Venezuelan governement try to offer. Bolívar was part of the privilefed class in Southamerica, in his final days he owned plantations and slaves, maybe in it´s time they could consider him progressist, because his ideas were influenced by illustration , but he was profoundly class-biased and who most supported him were "criollo" local oligarchy.

    Nothing to do with the image of proto-socialist that Chávez regime spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    I think that the British monarchy since World War I has not dominated politics as it used to do centuries ago (in fact, no European monarchy does today). In these times there is no point in arguing about being loyal or traitor to monarchies as in past centuries.
    I'm not sure of this, but perhaps the eighteenth-century British thought that colonial Americans wanted to become independent out of hatred for the United Kingdom or something else (rivalries with other European powers), but the British had no love for and for the 13 colonies. They did not consider that territory as a part equal to others in the United Kingdom (I speak of the British Isles), so the colonial Americans were denied participation in the parliament.
    I mean though that Oliver Cromwell destroyed the monarchy, the monarchy has influence not power, the Winston Churchill was the power in WW2. The British Royal Family is a soap opera at this point. Americans had no loyalty to Parliament which isn't the crown although they like to think they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    1-No, sigue exactamente igual.

    2-No, no hay ningún interés en recuperarlo, si hay cierta opinión social contraria a que Marruecos lo haya practicamente asimilado y a la forma en la que se hizo con su control.
    ¿Qué opinión social hay? no hay ninguna. El 99,99% de los españoles no tiene ni la más remota idea de qué fue el Sáhara español, ya ni te cuento de si se preocupan por su estado actual con Marruecos subyugándolos a tope...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    ¿Qué opinión social hay? no hay ninguna. El 99,99% de los españoles no tiene ni la más remota idea de qué fue el Sáhara español, ya ni te cuento de si se preocupan por su estado actual con Marruecos subyugándolos a tope...
    Se lo mencione a nassbean y me dijo que los españoles estamos obsesionados con el tema.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    ¿Qué opinión social hay? no hay ninguna. El 99,99% de los españoles no tiene ni la más remota idea de qué fue el Sáhara español, ya ni te cuento de si se preocupan por su estado actual con Marruecos subyugándolos a tope...
    Opinión de los que saben algo, y del 99.99% me parece una cifra un poco inflada.

    A tí te parece bien la política de colonización y asimilación de Marruecos, y la forma en la que se hizo con el Sáhara occidental?

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