Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Mkd = 3rd century Romans in 7 minutes

[Bosniensis]

Serbs, N. Macedonians, Bulgarians, Romanians = Vlachs ... who all cluster to each other and share common history were the rulers of Late 3rd century Roman Empire.

[Crn Volk]

Vlachs are latinized aboriginal SE Europeans, so yeah are of same stock as Slavicized aboriginal SE Europeans

[WeirdLookingFellow]

There is some actual debate on whether the W. Balkan people were more Celtic influenced and scored more Western admixture than the Thracians in the East, where they were more similar to N. Greeks.

I've seen around here a disparity between W. Balkans haplogroup subclades and E. Balkan subclades, they seem to be found only within their regional area.

[Bosniensis]

There is some actual debate on whether the W. Balkan people were more Celtic influenced and scored more Western admixture than the Thracians in the East, where they were more similar to N. Greeks.

I've seen around here a disparity between W. Balkans haplogroup subclades and E. Balkan subclades, they seem to be found only within their regional area.

Influx from Gauls, and certain Celts from Cisalpine Gaul that is true. They came in multiple waves and mixed with local populace.

[vbnetkhio]

There is some actual debate on whether the W. Balkan people were more Celtic influenced and scored more Western admixture than the Thracians in the East, where they were more similar to N. Greeks.

most of the Balkans were like BGR_IA, which was similar to Mycenaeans and even early Iron age Anatolians.
Albanians are the modern nation closest to BGR_IA. despite being West Balkanian.

BGR_IA influence pretty much:

[Bosniensis]

most of the Balkans were like BGR_IA, which was similar to Mycenaeans and even early Iron age Anatolians.
Albanians are the modern nation closest to BGR_IA. despite being West Balkanian.

BGR_IA influence pretty much:
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Distribution_of_the_Balkans_admixture_in_Europe_%2 8autosomal_researches%29.png[/IM]

Were*

We have strong Eastern and Western Mediterranean admixture + Baltic (this came later)

Just being mixed doesn't mean you are not "Mycenian"

Look at our 5th century B.C ancient samples:

[WeirdLookingFellow]

most of the Balkans were like BGR_IA, which was similar to Mycenaeans and even early Iron age Anatolians.
Albanians are the modern nation closest to BGR_IA. despite being West Balkanian.

BGR_IA influence pretty much:

Here Dusan shows the rather large difference between HRV_IA and BGR_IA. It looks as if HRV_IA is more W. Med like and more Atlantid, while BGR_IA is, and this is my presumption, more E. Med influenced due to Anatolia_Tepecik , which was major only in SE Europe.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...were-Thracians

[vbnetkhio]

Here Dusan shows the rather large difference between HRV_IA and BGR_IA. It looks as if HRV_IA is more W. Med like and more Atlantid, while BGR_IA is, and this is my presumption, more E. Med influenced due to Anatolia_Tepecik , which was major only in SE Europe.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...were-Thracians

this is what BGR_IA was like compared to modern populations:

[1,] "77.8 %  Italian_Molise  +  22.2 %  Sardinian"              "0.016" 
 [2,] "70.3 %  Greek_Ionia  +  29.7 %  Sardinian"                 "0.0168"
 [3,] "71.3 %  Greek_Kos  +  28.7 %  Sardinian"                   "0.017" 
 [4,] "76.8 %  Italian_Basilicata  +  23.2 %  Sardinian"          "0.0171"
 [5,] "72.6 %  Albanian  +  27.4 %  Sardinian"                    "0.0177"
 [6,] "76.5 %  Italian_Calabria  +  23.5 %  Sardinian"            "0.0177"
 [7,] "76.8 %  Italian_Apulia  +  23.2 %  Sardinian"              "0.0179"
 [8,] "71.3 %  Greek  +  28.7 %  Sardinian"                       "0.0179"
 [9,] "68.9 %  Greek_Crete  +  31.1 %  Sardinian"                 "0.0179"
[10,] "76.5 %  Italian_Campania  +  23.5 %  Sardinian"            "0.0184"
[11,] "76.7 %  Italian_Abruzzo  +  23.3 %  Sardinian"             "0.0186"
[12,] "60.7 %  Greek_Central_Anatolia  +  39.3 %  Sardinian"      "0.0188"
[13,] "54.3 %  French_Corsica  +  45.7 %  Greek_Kos"              "0.0188"
[14,] "31.8 %  French_Corsica  +  68.2 %  Italian_Molise"         "0.019" 
[15,] "21.2 %  Albanian  +  78.8 %  Italian_Molise"               "0.0195"
[16,] "80.3 %  Italian_Umbria  +  19.7 %  Sardinian"              "0.0195"
[17,] "55.2 %  Greek_Kos  +  44.8 %  Italian_Bergamo"             "0.0195"
[18,] "75.8 %  Italian_Marche  +  24.2 %  Sardinian"              "0.0195"
[19,] "46.1 %  French_Corsica  +  53.9 %  Italian_Calabria"       "0.0196"
[20,] "70.3 %  French_Corsica  +  29.7 %  Greek_Central_Anatolia" "0.0196"

Anatolia IA before the Cimmerian invasion:

 [1,] "72.2 %  Albanian  +  27.8 %  Sardinian"      "0.0284"
 [2,] "69.9 %  Greek  +  30.1 %  Sardinian"         "0.0292"
 [3,] "59.7 %  Macedonian  +  40.3 %  Sardinian"    "0.0305"
 [4,] "96.1 %  Albanian  +  3.9 %  Surui"           "0.0309"
 [5,] "96.1 %  Albanian  +  3.9 %  Karitiana"       "0.031" 
 [6,] "95.8 %  Albanian  +  4.2 %  Bolivian_LaPaz"  "0.031" 
 [7,] "95.9 %  Albanian  +  4.1 %  Aymara"          "0.031" 
 [8,] "96.1 %  Albanian  +  3.9 %  Piapoco"         "0.031" 
 [9,] "95.8 %  Albanian  +  4.2 %  Cachi"           "0.0311"
[10,] "95.7 %  Albanian  +  4.3 %  Mayan"           "0.0311"
[11,] "96.2 %  Albanian  +  3.8 %  Wichi"           "0.0311"
[12,] "95.6 %  Albanian  +  4.4 %  Mixtec"          "0.0311"
[13,] "96.2 %  Albanian  +  3.8 %  Yukpa"           "0.0311"
[14,] "96 %  Albanian  +  4 %  Colla"               "0.0311"
[15,] "95.9 %  Albanian  +  4.1 %  Mixe"            "0.0311"
[16,] "95.8 %  Albanian  +  4.2 %  Bolivian_Pando"  "0.0312"
[17,] "95.9 %  Albanian  +  4.1 %  Quechua"         "0.0312"
[18,] "95.9 %  Albanian  +  4.1 %  Zapotec"         "0.0312"
[19,] "96 %  Albanian  +  4 %  Bolivian_Cochabamba" "0.0312"
[20,] "96 %  Albanian  +  4 %  Pima"                "0.0313"

Myecenaean:

[1,] "56.8 %  Greek_Central_Anatolia  +  43.2 %  Sardinian" "0.0183"
 [2,] "64.4 %  Greek_Kos  +  35.6 %  Sardinian"              "0.0194"
 [3,] "69.5 %  Italian_Calabria  +  30.5 %  Sardinian"       "0.0195"
 [4,] "52.2 %  Sardinian  +  47.8 %  Turkish_Trabzon"        "0.0203"
 [5,] "45.9 %  Greek_Trabzon  +  54.1 %  Sardinian"          "0.0209"
 [6,] "57.5 %  Cypriot  +  42.5 %  Sardinian"                "0.0212"
 [7,] "60.9 %  Greek_Crete  +  39.1 %  Sardinian"            "0.0213"
 [8,] "61.3 %  Greek_Ionia  +  38.7 %  Sardinian"            "0.0214"
 [9,] "67 %  Italian_Basilicata  +  33 %  Sardinian"         "0.0216"
[10,] "43.4 %  Armenian_Hemsheni  +  56.6 %  Sardinian"      "0.022" 
[11,] "45.3 %  Armenian  +  54.7 %  Sardinian"               "0.0222"
[12,] "66.6 %  Italian_Apulia  +  33.4 %  Sardinian"         "0.0223"
[13,] "66.8 %  Italian_Campania  +  33.2 %  Sardinian"       "0.0223"
[14,] "66.1 %  Italian_Molise  +  33.9 %  Sardinian"         "0.0224"
[15,] "61.5 %  Greek  +  38.5 %  Sardinian"                  "0.0227"
[16,] "49.4 %  Sardinian  +  50.6 %  Turkish_Istanbul"       "0.0228"
[17,] "52 %  Sardinian  +  48 %  Turkish_Central"            "0.0229"
[18,] "52.7 %  Sardinian  +  47.3 %  Turkish_North"          "0.023" 
[19,] "61.9 %  Albanian  +  38.1 %  Sardinian"               "0.0231"
[20,] "40.6 %  Georgian_Laz  +  59.4 %  Sardinian"           "0.0232"

[vbnetkhio]

Were*

you meant "Are" or what

[Bosniensis]

you meant "Are" or what

You are talking about Southern Balkans namely Greece.

Dacian and Moesian (Bulgarian) Territory wasnt Greek+Sardinian.