Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe

[Lemminkäinen]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5

[Voskos]

As expected meds have the lowest siberian admixture.

[Jana]

As expected meds have the lowest siberian admixture.

Czechs have almost 0% Siberian, certanly less than Hungarians. I suspect some of sampled ''Czechs'' have some kind of Russian ancestry, otherwise there is no way for them to have more Siberian than Magyars.

[Tong]

I wanna have siberian DNA.

[Leto]

Czechs have almost 0% Siberian, certanly less than Hungarians. I suspect some of sampled ''Czechs'' have some kind of Russian ancestry, otherwise there is no way for them to have more Siberian than Magyars.

Come on, there is no historical Russian community in Czechia, only recent immigrants from the last 1-2 decades.

[Jana]

Come on, there is no historical Russian community in Czechia, only recent immigrants from the last 1-2 decades.

You know how typical Czech score. Almost no Siberian. Hungarians score some.

[Leto]

You know how typical Czech score. Almost no Siberian. Hungarians score some.

I didn't say anything about the accuracy of that data. Oftentimes those samples are kind of fishy.

[Östsvensk]

As expected meds have the lowest siberian admixture.

Dodecad K7b results from a Finn with roots in Savonia (the average is 8.9 on the spreadsheet):

dmix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 79.29
2 Siberian 10.32
3 West_Asian 7.71
4 South_Asian 1.46


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
7 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 FIN30 @ 3.793527
2 Finnish @ 4.289494
3 Russian @ 5.982052
4 Russian @ 8.313184
5 Russian_B @ 8.814853
6 Mordovians @ 10.117796
7 Belorussian @ 10.368294
8 Lithuanian @ 10.515162
9 Swedish @ 11.070503
10 Norwegian @ 11.779844
11 Polish @ 11.834509
12 Mixed_Slav @ 12.014628
13 Lithuanians @ 12.623351
14 Ukranians @ 13.461567
15 Orkney @ 14.071034
16 Argyll @ 14.151915
17 Orcadian @ 14.587643
18 Irish @ 14.859762
19 British @ 15.177915
20 British_Isles @ 15.214399


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 FIN30 + FIN30 + FIN30 + Russian @ 2.143654

His Dodecad V3:

West_European 47.93%
East_European 31.36%
Mediterranean 8.36%
Northeast_Asian 7.49%
West_Asian 2.41%
Southeast_Asian 2.24%
South_Asian 0.22%
Neo_African -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
Northwest_African -
Palaeo_African -


Using 1 population approximation:
1 FIN @ 8.600430
2 Finnish @ 9.969612
3 Polish @ 21.986406
4 Slovenian @ 22.094454
5 Mixed_Slav @ 22.148821
6 German @ 22.322506
7 Hungarians @ 22.859608
8 Russian @ 23.800045
9 Russian @ 24.480520
10 N._European @ 27.532587
11 Swedish @ 27.535694
12 Argyll @ 27.616291
13 Orkney @ 28.667305
14 CEU @ 28.717003
15 Orcadian @ 28.762934
16 Norwegian @ 31.477734
17 Chuvashs_16 @ 31.803366
18 Lithuanians @ 32.532585
19 Belorussian @ 32.596809
20 Mixed_Germanic @ 33.358246

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Chuvashs_16 + FIN + Finnish + Swedish @ 2.663900
2 British_Isles + Chuvashs_16 + Finnish + Finnish @ 2.674455
3 British + Chuvashs_16 + Finnish + Finnish @ 2.696377
4 Chuvashs_16 + FIN + Finnish + Norwegian @ 2.721018
5 Chuvashs_16 + FIN + Finnish + Orkney @ 2.789912

Dodecad K12b:

Gedrosia 3.37%
Siberian 8.33%
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.57%
Atlantic_Med 17.73%
North_European 66.00%
South_Asian 0.52%
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.06%
East_Asian 0.94%
Caucasus 1.47%
Sub_Saharan -


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 FIN30 @ 8.903809
2 Russian @ 9.804201
3 Finnish @ 11.173496
4 Russian @ 12.223836
5 Mordovians @ 13.241546
6 Mixed_Slav @ 14.080208
7 Polish @ 14.461360
8 Belorussian @ 14.970073
9 Russian_B @ 15.120755
10 Lithuanian @ 15.190302
11 Lithuanians @ 16.310833
12 Ukranians @ 17.634661
13 Swedish @ 19.872149
14 Chuvashs @ 22.841408
15 Norwegian @ 23.303078
16 Hungarians @ 25.994831
17 German @ 26.570721
18 Dutch @ 31.584103
19 Mixed_Germanic @ 32.480453
20 Orkney @ 33.297104

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Chuvashs + Finnish + Finnish + Norwegian @ 2.383602
2 Chuvashs + Finnish + Finnish + Swedish @ 2.611957
3 Chuvashs + FIN30 + Finnish + Norwegian @ 2.678406
4 Chuvashs + FIN30 + Finnish + Swedish @ 2.741190
5 Chuvashs + FIN30 + FIN30 + Swedish @ 2.964833

The Chuvash, who are Tatarized Finns, include both partially mongoloid forms, as shown on Plate 3, and also Nordics and Nordic-Ladogan hybrids. The Chuvash shown here is a Nordic of a long-faced, narrow-nosed type, and his Nordic character may be either ancestrally Finnish or else derived from the Iranian and Turkish-speaking Nordics of central Asia, brought in both by Scytho-Sarmatians and by Turkish invaders.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/index2.htm

[Östsvensk]

Genes reveal traces of common recent demographic history for most of the Uralic-speaking populations

PCA plot of Finno-Ugric populations where Siberians are used:



Further:

[Lemminkäinen]

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