Classify some Med-looking Irish celebrities

[Grace O'Malley]

That is not true Mary Queen of Scots House of Guise is from Lorraine France and half her ancestry was from there and 25% of my ancestry is from there and there were Flemish artisans in Lowland Scotland.

These new studies are politically correct motivated bullshit as Scotland has more Tronder and Anglo-Saxon types than Ireland and Yorkshire Northumbria is the most Anglo-Saxon part of England

Also, bring up myself ? If autosomal DNA cannot pinpoint little old me correctly then how do you expect it to scale to larger data sets genius?

I do not have time to talk to you as I can feel my IQ drop in the process. Modern science is cpromised by politics.

I feel my IQ drop talking to you. You just come out with the same old spiel and it is really impossible to have an intelligent and civilised conversation with you. I hate being rude but you get what you give. I think you have delusions of superiority which is obvious to anyone on here. Anyway I don't take you too seriously. You are just one of the oddballs that are unique to this forum.

[Dick]

Get a room already you two

[Peterski]

But half of them are not Med-looking at all.

For example Andrea Corr, closer to "Alpinid".

[Zuh]

But half of them are not Med-looking at all.

For example Andrea Corr, closer to "Alpinid".

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...an-chicano-guy

[Grace O'Malley]

But half of them are not Med-looking at all.

For example Andrea Corr, closer to "Alpinid".

I agree with this. I always think that someone like Colin Farrell looks obviously Irish. Look at that profile?

[Morena]

I was just trying to show that you can't isolate a trait and say it comes from such and such. I don't think all dark looks can be attributed to Neolithic Farmers or Iberian populations. Also people claiming blond hair and blue eyes is due to some Viking blow in etc. It's not that simplistic. I enjoy your input though but it like people saying that someone like Alicia Vikander can't be Scandinavian because she has darker colouring.

Well, the WHG, Steppe, and Farmers were all very different and distinctive from each other. They had specific looks. And the Farmers had a certain look, which people call "Mediterranean." It's only natural that someone who exhibits looks that are associated with Farmers, having ancestry from them, that one should think that it is an inheritance from them. Or rather, that they exhibiting those traits as opposed to other ancestries they possess. It doesn't mean that they are less Irish or anything, they're just exhibiting traits that are considered "Farmer."

I agree it's not that simple, but look at them!

I think that people who look for recent reasons for someone's unique looks is barking up the wrong tree. Their Mediterranean inclination probably has to do with that small - but not insignificant - Farmer input than anything within the last thousand years. You know I don't believe that Iberian/Irish connection/legend. I think it's an ancient Founder's Legend (based on the journey from Anatolia) that became more elaborate over time. And then, for political reasons (we don't like those protestant English) it became associated with Spain.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, the WHG, Steppe, and Farmers were all very different and distinctive from each other. They had specific looks. And the Farmers had a certain look, which people call "Mediterranean." It's only natural that someone who exhibits looks that are associated with Farmers, having ancestry from them, that one should think that it is an inheritance from them. Or rather, that they exhibiting those traits as opposed to other ancestries they possess. It doesn't mean that they are less Irish or anything, they're just exhibiting traits that are considered "Farmer."

I agree it's not that simple, but look at them!

I think that people who look for recent reasons for someone's unique looks is barking up the wrong tree. Their Mediterranean inclination probably has to do with that small - but not insignificant - Farmer input than anything within the last thousand years. You know I don't believe that Iberian/Irish connection/legend. I think it's an ancient Founder's Legend (based on the journey from Anatolia) that became more elaborate over time. And then, for political reasons (we don't like those protestant English) it became associated with Spain.

The thing though is that WHGs had dark skin and also Yamnaya tested were brown eyed and darker skin than any modern day Europeans. This shift to light skin only started relatively recently in Europeans i.e. over the last 8,000 years. The same with traits like being able to digest lactose. Also if you look at Globular Amphora who were Farmers many of them had traits for lighter hair, eyes and skin.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...ved-white-skin

[Dick]

The thing though is that WHGs had dark skin and also Yamnaya tested were brown eyed and darker skin than any modern day Europeans. This shift to light skin only started relatively recently in Europeans i.e. over the last 8,000 years. The same with traits like being able to digest lactose. Also if you look at Globular Amphora who were Farmers many of them had traits for lighter hair, eyes and skin.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...ved-white-skin

Globular Amphora mixed with Scandinavian hunter gatherers. I guess the HGs weren’t all the same either

[Grace O'Malley]

Globular Amphora mixed with Scandinavian hunter gatherers. I guess the HGs weren’t all the same either

Yes it's complicated. Europeans always had diversity in colouring. Populations like the Irish have a lot less complicated history though than Southeast Europe or even Spain and Portugal.

[Dick]

Well, the WHG, Steppe, and Farmers were all very different and distinctive from each other. They had specific looks. And the Farmers had a certain look, which people call "Mediterranean." It's only natural that someone who exhibits looks that are associated with Farmers, having ancestry from them, that one should think that it is an inheritance from them. Or rather, that they exhibiting those traits as opposed to other ancestries they possess. It doesn't mean that they are less Irish or anything, they're just exhibiting traits that are considered "Farmer."

I agree it's not that simple, but look at them!

I think that people who look for recent reasons for someone's unique looks is barking up the wrong tree. Their Mediterranean inclination probably has to do with that small - but not insignificant - Farmer input than anything within the last thousand years. You know I don't believe that Iberian/Irish connection/legend. I think it's an ancient Founder's Legend (based on the journey from Anatolia) that became more elaborate over time. And then, for political reasons (we don't like those protestant English) it became associated with Spain.

Light hair/eyes in north west and north east euros comes from GLobular Amphora culture neolithics. steppe yamnaya invaders were dark haired, dark eyed hook nosed wogs, in other words they are the ones that infused Europeans with sharper features such as dinarid, Baskid, Keltic nordid etc which isn’t really a Nordic phenotype anyway