A rarity? E-V13 without Albanians?

[Pine]

1. E-V13' MRCA is 4800ybp
2. YFull uploads are voluntary - it doesn't show a clade's full diversity (there may be Albanians in that subclade)
3. Here is a more extreme one: https://yfull.com/tree/E-BY5787/

[Pine]

Norka? He's quarter Tatar, allegedly Crimean (autosomally more like Volga Tatar though) but yes, he's E-V13 for some reason.

It would be more odd not to find E-V13 in Crimean Tatars.

[Daos777]

I'm not sure mankind can ever fully grasp E-V13. It's beyond our comprehension. It might require aliens flying down to earth to explain it to us. In fact, E-V13 may have come from aliens. #DeepThoughts

I mean it’s pretty simple.

E-V13 comes from iberomaurusians crossing Mediterranean in the Mesolithic or even earlier. Their culture is centered around fishing and they like warmer climates so they stay in Southern Europe and never move to north Europe. They are found in all Southern Europe not just Balkans. Proven by the 7,000 year old sample in Spain.

Indo-Europeans come and assimilate them. They for some reason don’t get genocided like the I2 and other G2.


“What is surprising with E-V13 is that it is as common in R1a-dominant as in R1b-dominant countries. R1a Indo-European tribes are associated with the Corded Ware culture, which spanned across Northeast Europe, Scandinavia and the northern half of Central Europe. R1b tribes invaded the Balkans, the southern half of Central Europe, and joined up with Corded Ware people in what is now Germany, the Czech Republic and western Poland. If E-V13 was found among both groups, it would have needed to be either assimilated in the Pontic Steppe or very near from it (say, in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture, around western Ukraine, Moldova and Romania), or at the junction between the two groups in central Europe (e.g. around the Czech Republic).”

E-V13 in Uzbekis, Tajiks, Iranians, and Kurds can be explained by this

“The eastern advance of the Corded Ware culture eventually gave rise to the Sintashta culture in the Ural region, which is the ancestral culture of the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-Europeans. E-V13's presence in this culture would explain why modern Iranians and Kurds possess E-V13, in addition to R1a-Z93 and R1b-Z2103. E-V13 has been found as far away as central Siberia, near the Altai, a region also known to have been settled by Bronze Age Indo-Europeans.”


It’s only confusing to people because people still want E-V13 to be a Neolithic farmer haplo which it wasn’t and a bunch of confusion and illogical bullshit based on a retarded premise proven wrong already is what’s causing all this confusion. E-V13 did not come from the Levant or Anatolia period.

[Daos777]

1. E-V13' MRCA is 4800ybp
2. YFull uploads are voluntary - it doesn't show a clade's full diversity (there may be Albanians in that subclade)
3. Here is a more extreme one: https://yfull.com/tree/E-BY5787/

Where did this MRCA come from tho?

[Mingle]

That dickhead (now that he's banned I can mention him) is a hopeless mongrel, he's not an "Uzbeki", he changed his alleged background multiple times (Tajik - Iranian - Tatar - Uzbek). God only knows what his mother mixed with.

I think he added Tajik cause his Uzbek side was genetically more like an Uzbekified Tajik rather than a normal Uzbek. His dad was even West Asian shifted by Tajik standards IIRC.

[Dick]

I mean it’s pretty simple.

E-V13 comes from iberomaurusians crossing Mediterranean in the Mesolithic or even earlier. Their culture is centered around fishing and they like warmer climates so they stay in Southern Europe and never move to north Europe. They are found in all Southern Europe not just Balkans. Proven by the 7,000 year old sample in Spain.

Indo-Europeans come and assimilate them. They for some reason don’t get genocided like the I2 and other G2.


“What is surprising with E-V13 is that it is as common in R1a-dominant as in R1b-dominant countries. R1a Indo-European tribes are associated with the Corded Ware culture, which spanned across Northeast Europe, Scandinavia and the northern half of Central Europe. R1b tribes invaded the Balkans, the southern half of Central Europe, and joined up with Corded Ware people in what is now Germany, the Czech Republic and western Poland. If E-V13 was found among both groups, it would have needed to be either assimilated in the Pontic Steppe or very near from it (say, in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture, around western Ukraine, Moldova and Romania), or at the junction between the two groups in central Europe (e.g. around the Czech Republic).”

E-V13 in Uzbekis, Tajiks, Iranians, and Kurds can be explained by this

“The eastern advance of the Corded Ware culture eventually gave rise to the Sintashta culture in the Ural region, which is the ancestral culture of the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-Europeans. E-V13's presence in this culture would explain why modern Iranians and Kurds possess E-V13, in addition to R1a-Z93 and R1b-Z2103. E-V13 has been found as far away as central Siberia, near the Altai, a region also known to have been settled by Bronze Age Indo-Europeans.”


It’s only confusing to people because people still want E-V13 to be a Neolithic farmer haplo which it wasn’t and a bunch of confusion and illogical bullshit based on a retarded premise proven wrong already is what’s causing all this confusion. E-V13 did not come from the Levant or Anatolia period.

There’s no E-v13 found in Neolithic Europe, as of yet anyway

[Leto]

I think he added Tajik cause his Uzbek side was genetically more like an Uzbekified Tajik rather than a normal Uzbek. His dad was even West Asian shifted by Tajik standards IIRC.

Have you seen the Uzbek samples I uploaded? I think you wanted to see them
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6393933
No specified regions. They are from the Estonian bio center.

[Mingle]

Have you seen the Uzbek samples I uploaded? I think you wanted to see them
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6393933
No specified regions. They are from the Estonian bio center.

I haven't seen them, thanks for sharing. They're all from Uzbekistan, right?

By the way, I updated the HarappaWorld sheet on Vahaduo if you want to test it out with Uzbeks or some others.

[TheMaestro]

It's pretty widespreaded around whole Europe so it's not a surprise

[Leto]

I haven't seen them, thanks for sharing. They're all from Uzbekistan, right?

By the way, I updated the HarappaWorld sheet on Vahaduo if you want to test it out with Uzbeks or some others.

Yes, from Uz as far as I'm concerned. One is around 50% mongoloid and one or two are barely 30%. Most are between 30 and 40% though.