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    Here's more examples of Africans who are at opposite ends of the eyelid spectrum. (I'm not 100% sure that each person is listed under the correct ethnic group.)



    I think some of the best-looking African peoples are the darkest-skinned Nilotic pastoralists, like Nuer and Nyangatom. I found virtually no people among them with ugly MENA-like eyes:

    https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=nuer+woman
    https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=nyangatom+woman

    Maasai are another Nilotic pastoral people, but they have more Caucasoid admixture than Nuer, so there are even people who look like this among them:

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    The website balticcasting.com returned 75 persons whose nationality was listed as Estonian, whose sex was listed as female, and whose age was listed as between 18 and 30. I downloaded all of their default photos, but I excluded 24 persons whose default photo was not a standard headshot photo taken against a blue background.

    I made morphs of the remaining 51 photos, where each morph consists of 17 photos.



    In the GIF file below, compared to the morphs with higher UEE, the morphs with lower UEE have more reddish skin, bigger cheekbones, lower palpebral fissure height, and a wider nose.



    Below are cropped versions of the images I used in the morphs. I don't know if it's just by chance, but the number of persons who smiled in their photo so that their teeth were visible (not counting when only a tiny part of the teeth are visible) was 10/17 for lowest UEE, 3/17 for intermediate UEE, and 2/17 for highest UEE.



    I also went through the photos of 801 models whose nationality was listed as Latvian. I classified 68 models as having very low UEE, and out of them 76% smiled so that their teeth were visible, but I classified 46 models as having very high UEE, and out of them only 50% smiled so that their teeth were visible. Maybe I have found a real effect.

    Another reliable predictor of overall attractiveness is how straight the lower eyelid margin is. People who have more protruding eyes tend to have a more curved lower eyelid margin, because their eyeball is pushed against the lower eyelid. On the other hand, people who have deep-set eyes tend to have a more straight lower eyelid margin. For example these models from the balticcasting.com website have a very straight lower eyelid margin:


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    wondering my type too

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    I searched Alamy for the phrase "bodi tribe woman": https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt...0tribe%20woman. Bodi is just some random Nilotic people.

    I selected photos which matched criteria such as the following:

    - the photo was accepted by my morpher;
    - the photo featured a single female who I estimated to be between 15 and 30 years old (however I also included a few instances of a female with a child);
    - the person in the photo was facing the camera at a fairly direct angle;
    - the person in the photo was not making an unusual facial expression;
    - I estimated that the person in the photo was not included in another photo which I had selected (even though there might still be a few duplicates).

    I then divided the photos into 2 equal-sized groups based on how chinky the eyes of the person in the photo looked, which I determined mostly based on upper eyelid exposure, the prominence of the eyelids, palpebral fissure inclination, and palpebral fissure height.



    In the image above, the persons with less chinky eyes look more Ethiopid or Bantuid on average. I think Nilotids have better eye shape than Ethiopids or Bantuids because they are more fit genetically, similar to the reason why Siberians have better eye shape than whites, and why whites have better eye shape than MENAs. Similarly among whites, better-looking people have more Siberian-like eye shape and worse-looking people have more MENA-like eye shape.

    In the GIF file below, compared to the morph with more chinky eyes, the morph with less chinky eyes clearly has more protruding eyeballs. Its supraorbital rims are higher and less straight, and it has a longer distance between the eyebrows and the eyes. Its face is also narrower, its nose is longer, and its chin is narrower.


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    Coon used the term "median eyefold" to describe hooded eyes, and he considered it to be the product of low orbits. He said that it was common in Volhynians, Mordvins, and Maris:

    > Among the English, Welsh, and Scotch internal and median eyefolds are very uncommon, while external folds are not infrequent.
    https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-X3.htm

    > In the morphology of the face, the Volhynians are for the most part typical Neo-Danubians. Median eyefolds, indicative of a low orbit and a heavy fatty deposit in the upper lid, are found among 38 per cent; the nose is concave in 25 per cent of the group, and snubbed in 20 per cent. A heavy deposit of fat on the malars is common, especially among the women; in this type it seems to assume the nature of a secondary sex character. Round faces and plump cheeks are typical.
    https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII9a.htm

    > However, there seems to be a moderately high incidence of concavity of the nasal profile, 18 per cent among Mordvins and 39 per cent among Cheremisses; of a median eyefold, which is a sign, as a rule, of a low bony orbit - 34 per cent among Mordvins and 46 per cent among Cheremisses; and 64 per cent of weak beard growth among Mordvins, and 77 per cent among Cheremisses.
    https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX9.htm

    Volhynian Baltids by Biasutti (the first one has very low upper eyelid exposure):


    https://archive.org/details/lerazzeeipopolid02bias

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    I made these morphs out of portraits that were part of the Origins of Beauty ethnographic project (https://www.facebook.com/44490019558...44947508917747):



    Each morph consists of 4 photos. I didn't determine how prominent the upper eyelids were only based on upper eyelid exposure, but also based on for example how prominent the lines of the lower eyelids were and how dark the skin of the eyelids was.

    In the case of each pair of morphs apart from the Caucasian morphs, the morph with less prominent eyelids clearly has a larger and a more robust facial skeleton than the morph with more prominent eyelids. In the case of blacks and Mongoloids, the morph with less prominent eyelids clearly has higher palpebral fissure inclination than the morph with more prominent eyelids.

    Tar file of original images from Facebook: https://anonymousfiles.io/2O5CTZcn/. Mirrors: https://gofile.io/d/4EKnyf, https://www.mediafire.com/file/a0e0d...oject.tar/file.

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    Even among Khoisan, people who look more unhealthy or deformed tend to have more Caucasoid-like eye shape, with higher visible area of the upper eyelids, lower canthal tilt, supraorbital rims that are more slanted outwards, more prominent eyelids, or a higher level of dark areas around the eyes:



    The man in the last photo above is not otherwise that bad, but he has high upper eyelid exposure by Khoisan standards, which makes his eyes look lazy or tired. His skin is also dry and unevenly colored, and he has dark areas around the eyes.

    The people who look the healthiest tend to have more Mongoloid-like eye shape, because I believe it was the original human eye shape:


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    I searched Alamy for "omo valley young man portrait":
    https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt...man%20portrait. Alamy has a large collection of photos of different ethnic groups from the Omo Valley.

    I then selected photos which matched criteria such as the following:

    - the photo contained a single male person who I estimated to be between 15 and 30 years old;
    - the person in the photo was facing the camera at a fairly direct angle;
    - the person in the photo had a fairly neutral facial expression;
    - the person in the photo did not smile so that a large part of the teeth were visible;
    - the eyes of the person in the photo were not closed or facing away from the camera;
    - the person in the photo did not appear to have very high Caucasoid admixture (like some Ethiopians);
    - the photo was not cropped so that only a part of the head was visible;
    - the face of the person in the photo was not covered by a hand or by another object;
    - the person in the photo was not wearing heavy face paint;
    - the photo was not rejected by the Python package I use to create morphs (https://pypi.org/project/facemorpher/);
    - the photo was not aligned incorrectly by my morpher;
    - I estimated that the person in the photo was not included in another photo I had selected.

    I then divided the photos in three groups based on upper eyelid exposure:



    The "Low UEE" morph has the lowest and the most staight supraorbital rims. The "High UEE" has the highest and most curved supraorbital rims. Out of the three morphs, the "Low UEE" morph has the widest nose and the least elliptical face shape.

    Here are the photos I used in the morphs:

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    Coon wrote that a median upper eyelid fold was common among Maris, Mordvins, and Kabyle, but rare or lacking among peoples of the British Isles:

    - "22 per cent of Russians have a median eyefold, which is found among 34 per cent of Mordvins, and 46 per cent of Cheremisses". (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII9b.htm)
    - "The Kabyles lack, for the most part, either internal or external eye-folds, but one-fifth of the sample shows median folds, which indicate a low orbit, and may be a reminder of the old Afalou race. The eyebrows are typically and almost exclusively medium in thickness, lacking in concurrency, and relatively great in lateral extension. Thus the bushiness and concurrency of the eyebrows common among Asiatic Mediterranean varieties hardly exist here." (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI13.htm)
    - Irish: "median and internal eyefolds are apparently rare or lacking". (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-X2.htm)
    - "Among the English, Welsh, and Scotch internal and median eyefolds are very uncommon, while external folds are not infrequent." (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-X3.htm)
    - "The morphology of the external eye is also subject to regional distribution. High orbits, with no folds, are characteristic of Dinarics, and of most Near Eastern peoples; orbits of moderate height, and with a tendency to external folding in maturity and old age, go with long-headed peoples of both blond and brunet varieties, while a median fold, indicative of both a low orbit and a thick fat deposit in the eye region, goes rather with the Finnic and Slavic blond mesocephals and brachycephals. The true internal or mongoloid fold is not common in Europe and is found in numbers only in the east, in the Kalmuck and Tatar districts of Russia, and in the far north." (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VIII5.htm)

    Kabyle are a North Algerian group of Berbers. There were only a few photos which were classified as being of Kabyle on the website of Kunstkamera: http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/...ethnos=3509215. The photos featured the faces of a total of 8 persons whose eyelids were visible. 5 out 8 of the persons appear to have completely nearly completely hooded eyes. Particularly the girl in the top left corner has very low supraorbital rims for a female. The woman in the bottom right corner has the highest UEE, and she also has the highest supraorbital rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komintasavalta View Post

    - "22 per cent of Russians have a median eyefold, which is found among 34 per cent of Mordvins, and 46 per cent of Cheremisses" (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII9b.htm).

    Coon used old data from Bunak. Zolotareva having examined 305 Mari men found that only 6,9% of them don't have a median eyefold.

    46% is very low figure. No way Mari so woggy.

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