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Why do you think our universe is fine tuned? What made it so elegant?

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  • There is some sort of cosmic mind out there/ God

    12 70.59%
  • Multiverse did it/ quantum magic

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  • Cyclic model proposed by Roger Penrose

    2 11.76%
  • Simulation theory

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  • Pure accident

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    God without a doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    God without a doubt.
    Better explanation than just a pure accident producing it (doesn't seem so). Some might explain everything with a Multiverse tho. Not like it excludes God, but the whole creation concept will remind Hinduism and Jewish mysticism, Kabbalah of some sort with countless creations and possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlömö View Post
    Better explanation than just a pure accident producing it (doesn't seem so). Some might explain everything with a Multiverse tho. Not like it excludes God, but the whole creation concept will remind Hinduism and Jewish mysticism, Kabbalah of some sort with countless creations and possibilities.
    I dont even spend a second on these crazy theories, I follow god and thats it.
    If people say its ignorant, it might is but I am happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    I dont even spend a second on these crazy theories, I follow god and thats it.
    If people say its ignorant, it might is but I am happy with it.
    These theories are crazy indeed, specifically one presented by Roger Penrose. Another one proposing we are part of the multiverse is borderline science, very abstract science tbh. Penrose was one of the scientists nailing down the beginning for our universe together with Stephen Hawking. Both changed their minds on this, they don't think there must be a beginning anymore (i know Hawking is gone tho). Penrose however criticizes multiverse, since the theory itself is not predicting anything specific and is based on a very brave interpretations of quantum physics. It seems like multiverse might be possible, but we will possibly never know or have any way to figure it out. How many universes are out there? Do they have same laws of physics? Is inflation really the best answer for the structure our universe has? Who the heck knows... It seems however that there is something extremely fine tuned and epic behind everything. Infinite and capable of creating very specific things.

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    Life is fine-tuned to fit the universe, not the other way around. For some though, that notion is scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaris View Post
    Life is fine-tuned to fit the universe, not the other way around. For some though, that notion is scary.
    Scroll to 3:10. Video itself is about universe being fine tuned (working laws of physics, the structure of the universe, that tiny cosmological constant), not only for life but for planets to form. This is a well known fact these days. Life being fine- tuned to fit the universe itself is a product of a fine tuned universe. That is a bit different subject to be honest, since for life to be fine- tuned to adopt you need life first...


    Anyway, if you don't believe in some sort of Cosmic Mind, then multiverse would be your best friend. Leonard touches this subject on 9:50. If there is something producing countless variants one of those variants could be our universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    God without a doubt.
    That is a dumb explanation. It is more likely that no matter how improbable such a fine tuned universe is -- that we would not exist without it and out so it has to exist that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlömö View Post
    Scroll to 3:10. Video itself is about universe being fine tuned, not only for life but for planets to form etc. This is a well known fact these days. Life being fine- tuned to fit the universe itself is a product of a fine tuned universe. That is a bit different subject to be honest, since for life to be fine- tuned to adopt you need life first...


    Anyway, if you don't believe in some sort of Cosmic Mind, then multiverse would be your best friend. Leonard touches this subject on 9:50.
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