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    Irish and Scots both have made greatest drink on earth - Whiskey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Jefferson wasn't Scottish, Ireland has more political power than Scotland, being an (theoretically) independent country, and Wales has a devolved Parliament as well.
    Thomas Jefferson was Scottish he was of Ullans lowland Scottish descent i.e. Attacot-Cymru-Goidelic-Angle-Norse.

    He was from Northern Ireland and there are Scots and English people in Northern Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Thomas Jefferson was Scottish he was of Ullans lowland Scottish descent i.e. Attacot-Cymru-Goidelic-Angle-Norse.

    He was from Northern Ireland and there are Scots and English people in Northern Ireland.
    Don't know where you're getting that from. Jefferson is not a Scottish name and there's no suggestion he was of Ulster Scottish descent.

    Once again an American de-Anglifying their people for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakha View Post
    Irish and Scots both have made greatest drink on earth - Whiskey.
    Why did God invent whiskey ? To prevent the Irish and Scots from taking over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Don't know where you're getting that from. Jefferson is not a Scottish name and there's no suggestion he was of Ulster Scottish descent.

    Once again an American de-Anglifying their people for some reason.

    I dunno, what you mean by de-anglifying lots of northern Ireland Scots-Irish people are part English it is called a Lowland Scot ethnic group for a reason. Anyway, it is possible he was northern English but trying to differentiate between the Lowland Scots and Northern English is mentally retarded

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    I dunno, what you mean by de-anglifying lots of northern Ireland Scots-Irish people are part English it is called a Lowland Scot ethnic group for a reason. Anyway, it is possible he was northern English but trying to differentiate between the Lowland Scots and Northern English is mentally retarded
    Only to an American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Scots always had disproportionate power and influence in the UK and the Empire, although not particularly Gaelic Scots. It's often said Scots effectively ran the Empire. The Irish are the most culturally dominant group today (St Patricks Day, Irish pubs, Irish music, Irish diaspora etc), and their political influence has been huge. Of course the Kingdom of Scotland itself was a creation of Irish Gaels. Wales has been an appendage of England for around 600 years without much influence and Cornwall for around 1200 years with even less.


    The Stuart's were descended from the Gaels of dal riata/Ireland, a monarch of that royal house himself claiming so in a letter to Anne of Denmark "im a happie monarch sprung of the Fergus (irish-gael) race" I'd say power and influence cant get any more strong than the ruling royals of the 3 kingdoms at the time, jamestown, east India company etc. The two greatest inventions Scotland produced were also by men with Celtic surnames not norman or other.

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    Probably the Irish or Scots today.

    The largest influence of the P-Celts or specifically Brythonic peoples was during the medieval period via the cultural and spiritual influences of the Arthurian and Grail cycles with their origin in British myth and which inspired much of Europe, even as far away as Hungary. In terms of artistic, literary, and cultural influence this Arthurian world remained important well into the modern era. Take for example Wagner's Tristan and Isolde or Tolkien's influence from Arthurian and general Welsh/British myth in the formation of his world (particularly the Elves) and this continued influence in all forms of fantasy literature or media today.

    That said if we include the genetic descendants of the ancient P-Celts despite their loss of Celtic language and culture, namely the Gauls and Britons who became Romanized and Germanicized respectively into French (and SW Germans, Swiss, etc.) and English, then the answer becomes the P-Celts. Actually it was also the P-Celtic parts of Scotland (Brythonic Lowlands and Pictish Northeast) which have been most important throughout history, at least in terms of the origin of the actual Kingdom of Alba (Gaelicized Pictland) and many of the significant figures of Scottish history (for example William Wallace, whose surname seems to mean "Welsh", perhaps indicating descent from the Strathclyde Britons given the origin of Wallace in Renfrewshire/Ayrshire.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Obviously, the Scottish. Not only did Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson layout the main two forms of possible government in the United States (Federalist vs States rights) the Scots also have more political power than the Irish and Cornish via the United Kingdom since Ireland is a small blip on the radar of the EU. The Scottish have their own parliament unlike the Cornish and Welsh too.


    I'd disagree strongly. Of the Q celts the Irish are more dominant. Irish win out in fame, soft/cultural power, and not to mention Ireland is the 2nd richest country in Europe GDP per capita (per person, which is what counts). Scots voted against their own independence and thus still eat English behind, cowing to a lesser people like the english is a strong sign of weakness, more subservient. The Irish on the other hand blasted the English into submission and to the table of compromise. I'd say the Irish are the most dominant, Scots second maybe.

    The Norman stock still holds most power in the isles. You can see that in the names of those who are enrolled at Eton and upper class institutions. Second are the Irish Gael, the milesian, third his scotian brother. The Saxon a close fourth just edging it. The welshman finishing in last. Perhaps picti aberdonians and cornish absolute last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroball View Post
    The Stuart's were descended from the Gaels of dal riata/Ireland, a monarch of that royal house himself claiming so in a letter to Anne of Denmark "im a happie monarch sprung of the Fergus (irish-gael) race" I'd say power and influence cant get any more strong than the ruling royals of the 3 kingdoms at the time, jamestown, east India company etc. The two greatest inventions Scotland produced were also by men with Celtic surnames not norman or other.
    Those are individual Scotsmen with Gaelic heritage (as most have), but Gaeldom itself has been disempowered and pushed to the fringes for centuries.

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