Are Pagans jealous of the Christian Christmas?

**Annihilus** · 12-25-2019, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Teutone

Get out of this topic Turk

Hahaha truth hurt doesn't it? Now go be a good boy and continue with decorating your christmas tree, a fine turkic tradition.

**Teutone** · 12-25-2019, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Annihilus

Hahaha truth hurt doesn't it? Now go be a good boy and continue with decorating your christmas tree, a fine turkic tradition.

Turkic tradition? You think you invented the wheel by that shit? Tons of cultures were involved in tree decoration that arent even in any form related to turks.

When will you leave the Netherlands you turkish edgelord.

**Annihilus** · 12-25-2019, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Teutone

Turkic tradition? You think you invented the wheel by that shit? Tons of cultures were involved in tree decoration that arent even in any form related to turks.

When will you leave the Netherlands you turkish edgelord.

So you agree it's a pagan tradition?

You are getting quite bitchy, I must have hit a nerve.

**Teutone** · 12-25-2019, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Annihilus

So you agree it's a pagan tradition?

You are getting quite bitchy, I must have hit a nerve.

I dont admit its pagan, I said many cultures came up with the idea about decorating trees and other things, its nothing special.

I think its pretty disgusting that a person that has nothing to do with Europe or Christianity has the guts to spread lies on a European Forum.

Id never join a Turk forum and try to lecture them about their islamic traditions.

**~~Ford~~** · 12-25-2019, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Annihilus

So you agree it's a pagan tradition?

You are getting quite bitchy, I must have hit a nerve.

It's a 16th century Christian tradition though, created by Germans. But decorating trees in festive times is older than the ancient Egyptians.

**Annihilus** · 12-25-2019, 05:44 PM

Attila the Hun, which a Turkic leader (Hun) changed many things in Europea. The Hun people (pre-historic Turkic clan) migrated to Europea and effected European people (Christianity) Guess, what?

Those Turks (Bulgars, Huns) were Tengriist. Their traditional faith gave something to Christians.

Especially about Christmas!

1) Decorating the Tree

Christian world is decorating especially pine trees at Christmas. But this tradition is just only in EUROPE. (I don't speak about today) Middle Eastern Christians never decorate trees.

BUT DECORATING TREE AND MAKE A WISH IS A STRONG TENGRI WORSHIP.

**Teutone** · 12-25-2019, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Annihilus

Attila the Hun, which a Turkic leader (Hun) changed many things in Europea. The Hun people (pre-historic Turkic clan) migrated to Europea and effected European people (Christianity) Guess, what?

Those Turks (Bulgars, Huns) were Tengriist. Their traditional faith gave something to Christians.

Especially about Christmas!

1) Decorating the Tree

Christian world is decorating especially pine trees at Christmas. But this tradition is just only in EUROPE. (I don't speak about today) Middle Eastern Christians never decorate trees.

BUT DECORATING TREE AND MAKE A WISH IS A STRONG TENGRI WORSHIP.

Noone fucking makes a wish towards the Tree or prays to it,noone claims the tree to be holy. Its just a nice christmas tradition that has nothing to do with Turks.

**Annihilus** · 12-25-2019, 05:51 PM

2) Santa Claus

You know, Santa Claus wears different from all Europeans and especially Middle Eastern Abrahamic people. He wears pant, a hat, belt... Of course he is taken from Tengri belief by Christian Europe.

We call Santa as "AYAZ ATA".

**Annihilus** · 12-25-2019, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Teutone

I dont admit its pagan, I said many cultures came up with the idea about decorating trees and other things, its nothing special.

I think its pretty disgusting that a person that has nothing to do with Europe or Christianity has the guts to spread lies on a European Forum.

Id never join a Turk forum and try to lecture them about their islamic traditions.

Dude I didn't start this topic. I don't give a shit about islamic traditions. I just wanted to educate you a bit.

**PAGANE** · 12-25-2019, 05:53 PM

The Bible does not indicate the birth date of Jesus, nor does it say that we should celebrate his birthday. God did not order us to celebrate Christmas, and this holiday is not mentioned in the New Testament. In the 4th century, Emperor Constantine the Great proclaimed December 25th the birth date of the Savior. It was a subtle tactical move that made him want to impose a new faith. Although Christianity was accepted as the official religion in Rome, it remained alien to the people who celebrated their old pagan holidays. With a clear awareness that he could not uproot these millennial customs, Constantine decided to merge them with the new religion and thus make it closer to people.
1. The First Christians did not celebrate the birth of [Jesus] because they considered the birth of someone to be a pagan custom
2. There is no evidence that Jesus was born on this date. It was probably religious leaders who chose it because it coincided with pagan feasts celebrated around the winter solstice.
3. The Saturnalia, a Roman holiday celebrated in mid-December, served as a model for many of the Christmas celebrations. For example, they result in a rich feast, gifts and candles
4. Tree worship was common among the pagan peoples of Europe, even after they had adopted Christianity. at home or inside
5. Exactly on December 25, according to the Julian calendar, the winter solstice fell, or in other words, the day ceased to decrease and began to increase. Then the people believed that the new God was born - the Sun, which was one of the greatest pagan holidays. The overlapping of dates with this cult, which already reminded the Christian legend of the birth of Christ from the Virgin (the Sun was also born of a blameless heavenly goddess), was a successful move that united not only the Romans to the new religion, but also all the newly converted peoples