Are Germans dark or swarthy?

[Septentrion]

Here is a quote regarding red hair in Westphalia from Beddoe:
“There is little in Holland (1.81%) and not much in Flanders (2.48%); but in Westphalia and other parts of the old Saxoii land I found as much as 3.8 per cent. The German red, however, usually verges on pale yellow; and the great unpopularity of the colour in Germany led to its being almost ignored by Virchow's schoolmaster-agents.”

And, here are Beddoe’s red hair percentages for the British Isles compiled by F. G. Parsons:


Beddoe found the same percentage of red hair in Bristol, England as he did in some parts of Westphalia. However, the German red verges on pale yellow, barely distinctive, while the English red is brighter.

The red that verges on pale yellow is Golden blond. Coon numerously speaks about the reddish element in Golden blond. Beddoe had some bias against Celts too. There is no way that Germany is as ginger as England! Not even Scandinavian countries like Iceland or Norway are that ginger, then why Germany?

[Septentrion]

If Beddoe found this Norwegian Tydal man in Cornwall, Wales or Ireland he would be a nigrescented inferior 'celt'. What kind of moron makes up words like "nigrescence", anyway?

Who told you that guy who was of the Tydal ( Paleo Atlantid) phenotype? He has dark hair, yes, but that doesn’t make him automatically that? See.

[Septentrion]

I don’t know but many a times in studies of hair color in Eastern Europe and Germany can quite complicated for students of anthropology. The category of “dark blond” and “light brown” are many times fused. When they are separated, then the “dark blond” class is preferred over the “light brown” one, I don’t know why. It could be due to bias or image. For example in Germany or Poland, it is light brown which is the commonest, but you’ll see in both nations, it’d be called rather “dark blond”. We all know in those population that (light ) Brown hair overides blond.
For a example in a self - Survey made on 9,000 ethnic Germans.
I would only list the North German group stats:
(light) blond - Men (3.4%) Women (4.9%)
(medium) blond - Men (20.7%) Women (22.4%)
(dark) blond - Men (26.8%) Women (27.9%)
(light) brown - Men (6.0%) Women (9.4%)

So this is quite confusing, they are trying to make us believe that there is a “blond majority” in Germany. I am too smart to fall for such nonsense. There seem to be more Germans with medium blond hair than light brown. Come on now!

[Septentrion]

Beddoe’s definition of red is: “All shades of red which approach more nearly to red than to brown, yellow, or flaxen”

Yellow clearly refers to Golden blond. Beddoe did not count yellow/golden hair as red.

Golden blond hair is blondism combined with some rufosity as Carleton Stevens Coon a had already mentioned.

[Septentrion]

Numbers for Blond and light eyed you give are useless if we don't know the precise definitions of it in each case. There are many ways one can define "blond" as well as "light eyes". ToKneeHwin and Xenophobic prussian used consistent standards in their studies and both found Germany to be around 40% blond and England around 30%. That map I posted from Beddoe also directly compares two countries so it likely also uses equal criteria. Light gene map accurate? Are you stoned? It uses only a few data points for whole Europe the rest "map" is simply assumed from these limited data points. In other words they only used one location for whole Germany. That alone should be enough to disqualify this map from being an accurate representation of blondism. And those obviously aren't all genes, in eye color alone there are 15 genes that are involved. Besides the map is obviously horeseshit to anyone who isn't blind. Russians are not blonder than Swedes or Norwegians and Bulgarians aren't blonder than Romanians and equal to Slovenians. Since Russians and Bulgarians are surprisingly "light" we are probably dealing with "Slavic" or Eastern European genes. Most of England isn't Celtic so even if Beddoes was biased against Celtic peoples such as Irish it does not make him necessarily biased against his own country when comparing it's dark features to Germany. According to the map I posted most South German regions have a Nigrescence index higher than British average which makes sense. The average as a whole also isn't' much darker however Britain probably has more "dark" types due to darker hair.

England and Germany are not so different in terms of blondism. Your 40% mark would apply only to the northern parts not the whole of Germany.

[Septentrion]

German blonds

Schleswig - Holstein (far - north) = 46%
Lower Saxony, Bremen, Hamburg, Mecklenburg - Vorpommern (north) - 43%
Thuringia = 36%
Northern Brandenburg, Berlin area = 33%
Swabia = 32%
Northern Rhineland, Bavaria = 30%
Hesse = 22%
Ruhr = 21%
Saxony Free State = 20%
Rhineland Palatinate = 19%
Baden, Frankish Bavaria = 15% - 20%
Lusatia, Saarland = 15%

[Supercomputer]

England and Germany are not so different in terms of blondism. Your 40% mark would apply only to the northern parts not the whole of Germany.

Both TNH and XP found roughly 40% over the course of 10 years. Since most footballers changed over that period of time I count these as two separate studies and I don't think it's a coincidence. Too bad XP did not do a separate study on N and S germany. It would be really interesting.

[Septentrion]

Both TNH and XP found roughly 40% over the course of 10 years. Since most footballers changed over that period of time I count these as two separate studies and I don't think it's a coincidence. Too bad XP did not do a separate study on N and S germany. It would be really interesting.

It is not coincidence but bias. People have already made up their mind of what a German person should look like (blond and blue-eyed), therefore it’s hard to make proper judgement.
I had that biased belief as a child about Germans too, until I saw for myself.
A comparison between Germans and Dutch people shows that in both populations, blond hair decreases somewhat as one goes further south.

Dutch
Friesland - 43.2%
Groningen - 41.2%
Drenthe - 39.4%
Overijssel - 35.5%
Gelderland - 34.4%
South Holland - 31.4%
North Holland - 31.2%
Zeeland - 28.4%
North Brabant - 22.3%
Limburg - 21.8%
Utrecht - 20.1%

[Supercomputer]

It is not coincidence but bias. People have already made up their mind of what a German person should look like (blond and blue-eyed), therefore it’s hard to make proper judgement.
I had that biased belief as a child about Germans too, until I saw for myself.
A comparison between Germans and Dutch people shows that in both populations, blond hair decreases somewhat as one goes further south.

Dutch
Friesland - 43.2%
Groningen - 41.2%
Drenthe - 39.4%
Overijssel - 35.5%
Gelderland - 34.4%
South Holland - 31.4%
North Holland - 31.2%
Zeeland - 28.4%
North Brabant - 22.3%
Limburg - 21.8%
Utrecht - 20.1%

Bollocks. Anyone can check the footballers himself, there's no incentive for him to make it up. He would have just exposed himself. He made his sources available unlike you.

[Septentrion]

Bollocks. Anyone can check the footballers himself, there's no incentive for him to make it up. He would have just exposed himself. He made his sources available unlike you.

Ok. If you follow that faulty logic. Then we should also believe this blond hair map of England based on ethnic English football players from small casual teams going county by county. There are areas with as high as 60% fair - haired!
https://i.redd.it/tfd6fc6yms4z.png