Is Latin America overall more gay friendly than Eastern Europe?

[TheForeigner]

Perhaps so, but Mexicans still far less homophobic than eastern European peoples. Orthodox people are generally less tolerant of homosexuals than Catholics, even to the point where they'd perpetuate violence.

Maybe, but isn't "maricon" or faggot the worst thing to be called in Latin America?

[Zroota]

Maybe, but isn't "maricon" or faggot the worst thing to be called in Latin America?

Well, all nationalities or ethnic groups would have their own slurs and derogatory terms for homosexuals (just as they would have racial slurs).

But honestly, as a homo myself, I'd feel safer in Mexico than in Ukraine or Russia. I mean, heck, Ukrainians are brutal towards gays (like seriously, you don't have to accept faggots, but must you treat them like farm animals?):

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On 22 June 2012, a man approached LGBT activist Taras Karasiichuk saying, "Are you a fag?" and then kicked him in the head and jaw. Human Rights Watch said authorities should treat the incident as a hate crime.

An Amnesty International expert on Ukraine stated in 2013 that "people have been beaten and in one case murdered because of their real or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. Most of these crimes have not been properly investigated and have gone unpunished."

In May 2017, LGBT activists organised a rally in the city of Kharkiv. 30 people attacked the participants and police officers, injuring two.

A May 2012, a Kyiv gay pride parade was canceled by its participants because they feared for their safety. Two gay rights activists were beaten up and tear gassed by a group of youths after pridegoers were evacuated by police escort

On 6 July 2014, a group of 15-20 neo-Nazis mounted an attack against the gay club "Pomada" (Lipstick) in Kiev. The attackers wore camouflage and balaclava (ski masks) and threw a smoke grenade and firecrackers.

Today, there are frequent reports of harassment, even violence directed at LGBT people in Ukraine. Many LGBT people in Ukraine report feeling the need to lie about their true sexual orientation or gender identity in order to avoid being a target for discrimination or violent harassment. Bias motivated crimes or hate crimes against people who are LGBT are frequently reported on in the international press, and while such violence is not legal in Ukraine, there is a perception by people living in Ukraine and globally that such violence is frequently tolerated by the Government. The Ukrainian police hardly ever detained attackers. Gay people are being actively persecuted in the separatist-controlled areas of Donbass.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals have complained about an increase of attacks in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic in Eastern Ukraine. On 8 June 2014, ten armed people attacked the gay club Babylon in the city of Donetsk. They fired blank cartridges into the air for intimidation and declared that there should not be gay clubs in the city, after which they robbed the visitors. In 2015, the Deputy Minister for Political Affairs of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic stated: "A culture of homosexuality is spreading… This is why we must kill anyone who is involved in this." Many volunteers that took in refugees from territories controlled by the Donetsk People's Republic refused to host LGBT people.

"I knew one 19-year-old guy who accidentally left his laptop lying around his house and his parents saw messages he sent to his boyfriend. For over a year they didn't let him go out of the house to work or study, they just kept him inside for fear of shame. And that's a familiar story in Ukraine."— Stas Mischenko, vice-president of Gay Alliance of Ukraine

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Ukraine

I think it's more genetic than religious -- Eastern Europeans are probably more inherently violent than other European groups (and I don't mean this in an offensive manner). After the Muslims, they pretty much come next when it comes to their ferocious hate crimes towards homosexuals. That said, we do need a few of them in the US to beat up the far-leftist ANTIFA and BLM groups.

[TheForeigner]

Yes, it's true that Russians and Ukrainians are often violent, but not just against homosexuals and I don't think it's genetic, but rather cultural. I mean other Slavs, like Czechs for instance are not often that violent afaik. In Romania too some far right thugs and others get violent against homosexuals, but it's rare. What about that Matthew Shepard gay kid that got hanged by two straight boys in the US some years ago, though?

[Zroota]

Yes, it's true that Russians and Ukrainians are often violent, but not just against homosexuals and I don't think it's genetic, but rather cultural. I mean other Slavs, like Czechs for instance are not often that violent afaik. In Romania too some far right thugs and others get violent against homosexuals, but it's rare. What about that Matthew Shepard gay kid that got hanged by two straight boys in the US some years ago, though?

Yep, they're often more violent and anyone can be a victim (not just homosexuals). Heard of the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs)? Two Ukrainian young men who savagely murdered 20 people. One of which they made a video on (2 guys, 1 hammer - It's on the internet and it's the most disturbing thing in the world). They spawned copycat killers and they were, unsurprisingly and unironically, Russian (whaddaya know huh?)...Lol

Americans can also be violently homophobic, but their violent homophobic types are usually restricted in the Southern states. Besides, Shepard's case happened in the late 90s. The last time a person was murdered for being gay in the US (at least a notable one) was in 2008 in California, ironically (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Larry_King). The victim wanted another boy to be his valentine and he then gets murdered by him.

[Kamal900]

Yep, they're often more violent and anyone can be a victim (not just homosexuals). Heard of the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs)? Two Ukrainian young men who savagely murdered 20 people. One of which they made a video on (2 guys, 1 hammer - It's on the internet and it's the most disturbing thing in the world). They spawned copycat killers and they were, unsurprisingly and unironically, Russian (whaddaya know huh?)...Lol

Americans can also be violently homophobic, but their violent homophobic types are usually restricted in the Southern states. Besides, Shepard's case happened in the late 90s. The last time a person was murdered for being gay in the US (at least a notable one) was in 2008 in California, ironically (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Larry_King). The victim wanted another boy to be his valentine and he then gets murdered by him.

In other words, the more religious you are the more discriminatory you get against homosexuals. I mean, it's not exactly shocking or anything since both Ukrainians and Russians are more religious than say Czechs for example who are predominately either atheists or agnostic. And yes, the Abrahamic religions are the most homophobic religions in the world.

[Zroota]

In other words, the more religious you are the more discriminatory you get against homosexuals. I mean, it's not exactly shocking or anything since both Ukrainians and Russians are more religious than say Czechs for example who are predominately either atheists or agnostic. And yes, the Abrahamic religions are the most homophobic religions in the world.

That may be true, but then the Maltese, Greeks, Norwegians, Danes, Icelandics, Finnish, Portuguese and the Irish are also predominantly Christian (just like the Russians & Ukrainians, perhaps even more so), but they aren't that discriminatory or violent towards gays (and some of these groups are pretty tolerant of gays even). Furthermore, Armenia is universally Christian and it's relatively gay friendly compared to Russia. Kinda makes you think that there's something deeper here, no?

The darker the shade, the more Christian:


Russians have been violent as both Christian and atheist (Marxist–Leninist atheism). So their animus behaviour is more cultural or inherent than religious per se. Heck, if Russians & Ukrainians were majorly Muslim instead, then they'd probably the most unsafest Islamic countries in the world alongside Pakistan and Afghanistan, and they would be spawning a few terrorists here and there.

[Kamal900]

That may be true, but then the Maltese, Greeks, Icelandics, Finnish, Portuguese and the Irish are also predominantly Christian (just like the Russians & Ukrainians), but they aren't that discriminatory or violent towards gays. And Armenia is universally Christian and it's relatively gay friendly compared to Russia. Kinda makes you think that there's something deeper here.

The darker the shade, the more Christian:


Russians have been violent as both Christian and atheist (Marxist–Leninist atheism). So their animus behaviour is more cultural or inherent than religious per se. Heck, if Russians & Ukrainians were majorly Muslim instead, then they'd probably the most unsafest Islamic countries in the world alongside Pakistan and Afghanistan, and would spawn a lot of terrorists.

I guess it has something to do more with culture and the political environment than anything. You also need to remember that Orthodox Christians tend to be more conservative than say Protestants and Catholics. Greece had close ties with the western world ever since their independence from the Turks in the mid 1800's, so it does make sense for them to be much more friendlier to gays than say their Eastern European counterparts.

[Zroota]

I guess it has something to do more with culture and the political environment than anything. You also need to remember that Orthodox Christians tend to be more conservative than say Protestants and Catholics. Greece had close ties with the western world ever since their independence from the Turks in the mid 1800's, so it does make sense for them to be much more friendlier to gays than say their Eastern European counterparts.

True. I did argue that earlier in this thread. Orthodox are very conservative (followed by Evangelicals). Catholics seem the most 'progressive' and liberal, despite the fact that they were the most brutal ones in Christian history.

But what do you say about the Orthodox Armenians, Cypriots and Georgians? They aren't that bad towards homos, at least compared to Russians.

[Kamal900]

True. I did argue that earlier in this thread. Orthodox are very conservative (followed by Evangelicals). Catholics seem the most 'progressive' and liberal, despite the fact that they were the most brutal ones in Christian history.

But what do you say about the Orthodox Armenians, Cypriots and Georgians? They aren't that bad towards homos, at least compared to Russians.

Well, Armenians aren't say part of the mainstream Orthodoxy but rather they're Apostolic Christians, so they don't mind seeing things more differently than Russians and Ukrainians. As for Georgians, remember they're politically much more oriented to the western world than to the east, and they do despise Russia as a whole because of that. So, despite their religious beliefs, they're much more oriented to the west than to the east. As for Cyprus, they were heavy been influenced by both the British and the French, and they are also oriented to the west than to the east as well. Croats and Serbs for example are both South Slavic peoples who speak mutually intelligible languages. Despite this, their cultural and political orientations are very different from each with the former being oriented towards the west while the former towards the east which had greatly contributed to their divide very much, even more so than say between Bosniaks and them.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Perhaps so, but Mexicans are still far less homophobic than eastern European peoples. Orthodox people are generally less tolerant of homosexuals than Catholics, even to the point where they'd perpetuate violence.

In roman catholicism, homosexuals are just cleric material.