What is your take on the miscegenation in 'Lord of the Rings'?

[PaleoEuropean]

they are fantasy races people, the mixing of elf and man is practically the same as god and man in mythology. Is Herakles miscegenation? Is Achilles? Is Sigurd or CuChulainn? The answer is no. If you guys knew the story you would know that in the end Arwen chooses to become human, because she is descended of Beren and Luthien, the man prince, and elven princess, who's offspring could choose which they wanted to be, hell Elrond's brother (or was it uncle? I can't remember) is Aragorn's distant ancestor who chose to be mortal and became the first king of the Numenorians (the predecessors to the Gondorians)...

If I remember correctly Tolkein or his son stated that the series was not based off any real world events or ideology. The great thing about a piece of literature is that the reader can fill in the blanks or take a completely different message than the other person. Which is why there was Soviet prints of his books. A good example is how 90% of action movies can be seen as derivatives of the Odyssey or the Odyssey can be argued a derivative of the story of Jonah etc. A good trope leaves things to the imagination and follows an interesting and relatable narrative.

Reminds me of a post where someone made the argument that nobody is creative because it has all been done before and originality is the sinew of creativity which is absurd. Creativity 90% of the time is taking something old and turning it into something fresh. A small change in detail and perspective can change the entire meaning of it. The movies Star Wars was inspired by and essentially copied story wise and even to some extent aesthetically didn't change its magnanimous creativity and re visioning. You can't look at true art through a single lens.

One final example of my opinion is how the series can be looked at from a communist perspective, the weak, drunken bottom class hobbit rises through his chains of oppression to save the world from the oppressive fascist Sauran (upper class) and the greedy, glutenous, indifferent and often traitorous men (Middle Class). The narrative is written in the mind of the reader for the series.

[TheOldNorth]

If I remember correctly Tolkein or his son stated that the series was not based off any real world events or ideology. The great thing about a piece of literature is that the reader can fill in the blanks or take a completely different message than the other person. Which is why there was Soviet prints of his books. A good example is how 90% of action movies can be seen as derivatives of the Odyssey or the Odyssey can be argued a derivative of the story of Jonah etc. A good trope leaves things to the imagination and follows an interesting and relatable narrative.

Reminds me of a post where someone made the argument that nobody is creative because it has all been done before and originality is the sinew of creativity which is absurd. Creativity 90% of the time is taking something old and turning it into something fresh. A small change in detail and perspective can change the entire meaning of it. The movies Star Wars was inspired by and essentially copied story wise and even to some extent aesthetically didn't change its magnanimous creativity and re visioning. You can't look at true art through a single lens.

One final example of my opinion is how the series can be looked at from a communist perspective, the weak, drunken bottom class hobbit rises through his chains of oppression to save the world from the oppressive fascist Sauran (upper class) and the greedy, glutenous, indifferent and often traitorous men (Middle Class). The narrative is written in the mind of the reader for the series.

interesting, makes me wonder if the modern russian copies are different to the old ones.
Though JRR Tolkien and his son says there is no outside influences, this is unlikely to me, I think they just didn't want people comparing it to what came before and to see it as its own thing. For example the elves remind me of Irish or Welsh Tuatha De Danann / Tylwyth teg. The dwarves and elves as a concept however come from Norse myth, and the hierarchy of the world with the Valar and Eru on top remind me of the the order of Catholicism mixed with paganism.

[PaleoEuropean]

interesting, makes me wonder if the modern russian copies are different to the old ones

I am not sure, maybe one of the Russian members knows or can find out. The Soviet version had illustrations and stuff, pretty neat.

[PaleoEuropean]

interesting, makes me wonder if the modern russian copies are different to the old ones

They made a movie too, gonna get really baked and watch it.

[TheOldNorth]

I am not sure, maybe one of the Russian members knows or can find out. The Soviet version had illustrations and stuff, pretty neat.

my dad has an old copy with some neat illustrations (obviously in English)

[Videx]

I haven't read it yet, only watched. But as far as I know Elrond is already only half-elf. So Arwen is not pure elf by any means, also Aragorn has a prominent human bloodline. And their children would not look too exotic to either of them. Therefore I would say no problem here

Interesting, that some might focus on this part of the story. I only heard that lefties accused Lotr of racism.