What is your take on the miscegenation in 'Lord of the Rings'?

**Nastrander** · 11-20-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Arrow Cross

Oh, so you're a swastika-mystique, eh? Very well then. Go ahead and "distance yourself" from those evil Nazis. That won't stop your enemies from calling you one.

LOL, I don't know how many times I've been called a Nazi. Of course leftists call anyone that disagrees with them a Nazi.

You can check out an assortment of other names I've been called here:

very amusing

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By the way, I try to conduct myself by the following maxim: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I would guess that you and I have many common enemies

**~~Aemma~~** · 12-22-2008, 03:26 PM

Sorry AC, but I had to vote "C" on this one. If you take me as an example of the typical person who has never read these books (

) and has only seen the movies (double

) I think the issue of miscegenation being a theme in either rendition would have sailed clear above most people's heads. It did mine until you pointed this out in this thread as a potential theme, either deliberately offered or not by the author and then picked up again by the films' director. And note, I consider myself a fairly well educated and intelligent person too.

If anything, the love story as portrayed in the films at any rate should perhaps be viewed more so than not as a bit of romantic eye candy for your *average* woman who would have seen this at the movies with either hubby, boyfriend, or son. (Hollywood being replete with astute businessmen of course would have thought of such a thing--why deliberatly exclude half of the population? That's hardly good for the financial bottom line after all.

) And I am quick to state *average* woman here. I don't doubt for a minute that there are many women who have loved reading LoTR and have equally enjoyed the theatrical renderings and have made thematic connections such as that which you've presented. But I would hazard perhaps not most. Perhaps not even most men, I would dare say. So all of this is to say that if a reasonably well educated and intelligent person who's been around a block or two failed to make such a connection, I doubt very much that *most* of our youth would have as well.

But I do appreciate the sense of your enquiry as to how deeply embedded such a theme can be found in our pop culture. Your message is not lost on me by any stretch and if anything you've given me a bit more of an eye opener.

Cheers!...Aemma

**Arrow Cross** · 12-22-2008, 07:58 PM

LMAO. I think I'm going to make a romantic movie about a human woman falling in love with a talking, well-shaved and heroic chimpanzee gentleman. They'll also have lovely kids in the sequels. I think it'd be a blockbuster, even among pro-White folks. After all, both their skins will be white, so who could possibly object to it?

Whadoyathink?

**GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS** · 12-22-2008, 08:33 PM

As Elves are supernatural, we can view them as equal to Norse gods in theory. As Norse gods sometimes mated with humans, I don't view this as particularly bad, seeing as the Gods were reflections of humans.

All in all, LotR is okay.

**~~Aemma~~** · 12-23-2008, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Arrow Cross

LMAO. I think I'm going to make a romantic movie about a human woman falling in love with a talking, well-shaved and heroic chimpanzee gentleman. They'll also have lovely kids in the sequels. I think it'd be a blockbuster, even among pro-White folks. After all, both their skins will be white, so who could possibly object to it?

Whadoyathink?

No, and I dearly hope I'm not being misinterpreted AC for this is not what I said either. All I said was that I don't think that the issue of miscegenation would have been at the forefront of your *average* viewer of *these films*, or of the reader of the book either for that matter. That's all that I wanted to make as a point.

My original post was going to be more along the lines of what Gustavus Adolphus has written actually, since in my faith, we also recognise the very heathen elements that are prevalent in LoTR. Tolkien did indeed rely heavily upon the pre-Christian Germanic traditions found in our lore and folklore when it comes to this work in particular. And I'm very much in agreement with what Gustavus has written from a more heathen spiritual standpoint.

Anyway, thems my two cents...Aemma

**Sigurd** · 12-23-2008, 04:20 AM

Thanks for pointing these matters out, anyhow. That is a very fair point, actually. Upon reading the "Gods & Humans" analogy, I remembered a point I'd recently not touched upon sufficiently - in fact, a central character in my own novel (well, the one I am working on) is partially of "mixed heritage", but it was about giving him some heritage of divine creatures as it were rather than making him a descendant of miscegenation.

Hel, otherwise I'm taking my user name from a known "miscegenator of the heart". It's well known that folk hero Sigurd, if going by Volsunga Saga, had the hots for a valkyrie, 't being Brynhild.

**Revenant** · 12-23-2008, 06:03 AM

I think there are some undertones of miscegination here but not really major ones compared to what we see in mainstream slop culture.

As I read LOTR when I was a child and then saw the movie I will admit it wasn't how I imagined it as a youngster with a vivid imagination. Most movies don't compare to the books though.

The main issue I will take with you here AC is in your original post you say that this sort of stuff has a influence. I question the extent of it. People who want to racemix are always looking for excuses to do so, these movies I don't think would make much of a difference to them either way, they are just perverted. For example someone like you or I, it doesn't matter how many times we see racemixing we are revolted by it.

**~~Eldritch~~** · 12-23-2008, 10:59 AM

Tolkien was dead set against anyone interpreting LotR as an allegory of sny real-life events, like WW2 or whatever. And the elves who lived in Middle Earth weren't immortal; their lifespans were immensely long, but not endless. I'd say it was unadvisable for Arwen to marry Aragorn, but I wouldn't condemn it outright.