Why Western Iberia is close to SE France?

[Tenma de Pegasus]

I dont get why Galicia, Catalunya, Portugal(and Castile Leon) appears close since they are on different sides of Iberia? Also its strange Galicia and Portugal seems close to SE France despite being so far of Auvergne-Rhone Alpes and Alpes Cotê d'Azur. I dont know if Im understanding the genetic map wrongly. If somebody could help, thanks anyway.

[Samnium]

I dont get why Galicia, Catalunya, Portugal(and Castile Leon) appears close since they are on different sides of Iberia? Also its strange Galicia and Portugal seems close to SE France despite being so far of Auvergne-Rhone Alpes and Alpes Cotê d'Azur. I dont know if Im understanding the genetic map wrongly. If somebody could help, thanks anyway.

The northern parts of Rhone-Alpes are close to W.German not at all Iberia. I would say that the "Iberian lean" begin in Grenoble approximately (Grenoble is here : ) and goes south and west. Also I don't believe that Aosta Valley is that "Iberian-shifted", to me they are similar to other people of Savoy genetically (atleast "Haute-Savoie").

People from Annecy from what I've seen are very close to Swiss French.

This map tend to confirm also that Swiss French and Swiss German are practically the same people, Swiss German being a bit more towards Germany but not by that much.

[Gota_type_]

I don´t know autosomally but it gets me a bit mad when I hear that French are lighter than Spaniards. Any French (no matter how "germanic" he could be) can pass unnoticed in Spain. And most Spaniards (except extreme Med types) can pass unnoticed in France. And people also make the mistake in thinking that when more South-West you go in Europe the darkest the people is. There are millions of Spaniards that are lighter than millions of French. Not just lighter but more European (or not "exotic" looking) looking.

I get the idea that some people think that we Spaniards are darker than any other central European country when there are millions that will pass unnotice in most European countries. And even some of us will pass unnoticed even in Scandinavia, Netherlands or UK (as it has happened to me many times).

[SharpFork]

This map tend to confirm also that Swiss French and Swiss German are practically the same people, Swiss German being a bit more towards Germany but not by that much.

German Swiss seem to be 50/50 Swiss French and Middle German so it's actually quite noticeable.

[Samnium]

German Swiss seem to be 50/50 Swiss French and Middle German so it's actually quite noticeable.

*50% S.German, but they are all close populations so it's not very noticeable in my opinion, also I don't know from which canton they took the samples because I would expect variation in between the Swiss French population. I'm sure that there are Swiss French that fall right into the Swiss German cluster.

[Samnium]

I don´t know autosomally but it gets me a bit mad when I hear that French are lighter than Spaniards. Any French (no matter how "germanic" he could be) can pass unnoticed in Spain. And most Spaniards (except extreme Med types) can pass unnoticed in France. And people also make the mistake in thinking that when more South-West you go in Europe the darkest the people is. There are millions of Spaniards that are lighter than millions of French. Not just lighter but more European (or not "exotic" looking) looking.

I get the idea that some people think that we Spaniards are darker than any other central European country when there are millions that will pass unnotice in most European countries. And even some of us will pass unnoticed even in Scandinavia, Netherlands or UK (as it has happened to me many times).

It's a fantasm, nowhere Iberia is as light as Normandy, Britonny, Pas de Calais, Alsace, Haute-Savoie, Iberians are darker in pigmentation.

Most spaniards can pass in southern France, overlap above would be a lot more difficult because of lacking Alpine types that's a very basic pheno for French as well as Dinarid types, and much less "Atlantids".

There are more "weird" looking Spaniards than weird looking French as well, in France you can't find exotic types that look MENA, in Spain you have some people like that. Same for Italy and other S.Euro countries.

[dududud]

It's a fantasm, nowhere Iberia is as light as Normandy, Britonny, Pas de Calais, Alsace, Haute-Savoie, Iberians are darker in pigmentation.

Most spaniards can pass in southern France, overlap above would be a lot more difficult because of lacking Alpine types that's a very basic pheno for French as well as Dinarid types, and much less "Atlantids".

There are more "weird" looking Spaniards than weird looking French as well, in France you can't find exotic types that look MENA, in Spain you have some people like that. Same for Italy and other S.Euro countries.

Because of 10% of north african in the Spaniard gene pool.

[Gota_type_]

It's a fantasm, nowhere Iberia is as light as Normandy, Britonny, Pas de Calais, Alsace, Haute-Savoie, Iberians are darker in pigmentation.

Most spaniards can pass in southern France, overlap above would be a lot more difficult because of lacking Alpine types that's a very basic pheno for French as well as Dinarid types, and much less "Atlantids".

There are more "weird" looking Spaniards than weird looking French as well, in France you can't find exotic types that look MENA, in Spain you have some people like that. Same for Italy and other S.Euro countries.

Are you really a french? Because it is false that there is "no ligther" region in Spain than Normandy or whatever. It is not about lighter or not, it is about that you can put millions of Spaniards (from any region) and will pass unnoticed in ANY region in France. I have seen many french and they are not lighter than us non-mediterranean looking Spaniards. And you also have millions of mediterranean looking french that are darker than millions of Spaniards.

The idea that the lightest Spaniards can also pass in SW France is absolutely stupid. In fact, even the most nordid-germanid french (which are rare) still looks french in some way. But the nordid-germanic Spaniards can pass unnoticed even in Netherlands or in Scandinavia (like me).

I have never seen a french that would be noticed in Spain as an outsider. And again you have millions of native french that are darker than MILLIONS of Spaniards.

Because of 10% of north african in the Spaniard gene pool.

Nice trolling, you ignorant. The "north-african" is just a label to 100% white caucasoid blood from ancient times. Northafricans are part caucasoids and that is where the link exists. And there is "north-african" even in France or Germany in 1-2% (in Eurogenes K15 for example), so did they have north-africans in the past, or is just a label from common caucasoid ancient ancestry? You guess.

[Leto]

It's a fantasm, nowhere Iberia is as light as Normandy, Britonny, Pas de Calais, Alsace, Haute-Savoie, Iberians are darker in pigmentation.

Most spaniards can pass in southern France, overlap above would be a lot more difficult because of lacking Alpine types that's a very basic pheno for French as well as Dinarid types, and much less "Atlantids".

There are more "weird" looking Spaniards than weird looking French as well, in France you can't find exotic types that look MENA, in Spain you have some people like that. Same for Italy and other S.Euro countries.

I thought you were a vehement opponent of people that swarthify Southern Europe, being a half Southern Italian yourself (arguably the swarthiest part of Europe).
I consider you very French though. If Kylian Mbappé is considered a Frenchman then you are much more French

[Leto]

Are you really a french? Because it is false that there is "no ligther" region in Spain than Normandy or whatever. It is not about lighter or not, it is about that you can put millions of Spaniards (from any region) and will pass unnoticed in ANY region in France. I have seen many french and they are not lighter than us non-mediterranean looking Spaniards. And you also have millions of mediterranean looking french that are darker than millions of Spaniards.

The idea that the lightest Spaniards can also pass in SW France is absolutely stupid. In fact, even the most nordid-germanid french (which are rare) still looks french in some way. But the nordid-germanic Spaniards can pass unnoticed even in Netherlands or in Scandinavia (like me).

I have never seen a french that would be noticed in Spain as an outsider. And again you have millions of native french that are darker than MILLIONS of Spaniards.



Nice trolling, you ignorant. The "north-african" is just a label to 100% white caucasoid blood from ancient times. Northafricans are part caucasoids and that is where the link exists. And there is "north-african" even in France or Germany in 1-2% (in Eurogenes K15 for example), so did they have north-africans in the past, or is just a label from common caucasoid ancient ancestry? You guess.

Are you tested? I mean you claimed you scored some Siberian. Were you being serious?