Why Western Iberia is close to SE France?

[Samnium]

Lol. Spanish and Italian immigrants assimilate fast and are generally accepted as French after one generation, even I know that. Why are you saying that?

He called to genocide southern italians, this guy would have like 70 IQ not more judging by his messages.

[Samnium]

Btw this guy believes that Sardos are a race superior to southern italians because they haven't any "Levantine", a Sardo nordicist or a Sardo supremacist, never seen that before.

[Leto]

He called to genocide southern italians, this guy would have like 70 IQ not more judging by his messages.

I don't know. He has never attacked or talked shit about me.

[Cristiano viejo]

@ dududud, motherfucker, stop claiming you are a pure French, being half Sardinian and looking 100% like one.

It's a fantasm, nowhere Iberia is as light as Normandy, Britonny, Pas de Calais, Alsace, Haute-Savoie, Iberians are darker in pigmentation.

French are lighter haired and eyed, that is obvious. But skin colour is pretty similar, like any European ethnicity.

IThere are more "weird" looking Spaniards than weird looking French as well, in France you can't find exotic types that look MENA, in Spain you have some people like that. Same for Italy and other S.Euro countries.

True that there are more exotic/MENA looking Spaniards than French, but you can find it among French too, and it is not that hard. Jerome Le Banner, Pierre Laval, the Clavier Brothers, are a few examples.

And with the pass of the time this will increases.

[Leto]

Btw this guy believes that Sardos are a race superior to southern italians because they haven't any "Levantine", a Sardo nordicist or a Sardo supremacist, never seen that before.

He doesn't look Nordic at all. Probably just as dark as you.
By the way, I really wanna see your own results. Please go ahead and buy one of those lousy tests for 50-60 euros

[Erronkari]

The northern parts of Rhone-Alpes are close to W.German not at all Iberia. I would say that the "Iberian lean" begin in Grenoble approximately (Grenoble is here : ) and goes south and west. Also I don't believe that Aosta Valley is that "Iberian-shifted", to me they are similar to other people of Savoy genetically (atleast "Haute-Savoie").

People from Annecy from what I've seen are very close to Swiss French.

This map tend to confirm also that Swiss French and Swiss German are practically the same people, Swiss German being a bit more towards Germany but not by that much.

About both swiss (german-speakers, french-speakers) are probably the same people nowadays.
The main settlers of my town (despite it was founded by a spanishman from Palencia, Castilla & León), were mostly basques, piedmontese and swiss.
And most of those swiss were from Valais and it curious that many of them had german surnames but used the french by main language.
Unhappily I don't know enough properly swiss people to ask them if It's that the families of =/= lenguage inner Switzerland "mixed" among them or which is the reason of that...
But that genetic stuff you are mentioning probably proves that fact...

[Samnium]

@ dududud, motherfucker, stop claiming you are a pure French, being half Sardinian and looking 100% like one.


French are lighter haired and eyed, that is obvious. But skin colour is pretty similar, like any European ethnicity.

Yes French overall have a pretty similar skin pigmentation range though there are a little bit more olive skinned people in Spain but it's still a minority.

True that there are more exotic/MENA looking Spaniards than French, but you can find it among French too, and it is not that hard. Jerome Le Banner, Pierre Laval, the Clavier Brothers, are a few examples.

Yes they exist of course, there is also Alexandre Astier that looks quite MENA or others.

French in their young age can sometimes be very MENA looking but growing they loose that ambiguous look. If you know what I mean.

And with the pass of the time this will increases.

Unfortunately yes. We will have more and more mixed people and extra-european minorities.

[Samnium]

About both swiss (german-speakers, french-speakers) are probably the same people nowadays.
The main settlers of my town (despite it was founded by a spanishman from Palencia, Castilla & León), were mostly basques, piedmontese and swiss.
And most of those swiss were from Valais and it curious that many of them had german surnames but used the french by main language.
Unhappily I don't know enough properly swiss people to ask them if It's that the families of =/= lenguage inner Switzerland "mixed" among them or which is the reason of that...
But that genetic stuff you are mentioning probably proves that fact...

Yeah really the border betwern Swiss French and Swiss German is pretty blurred genetically. You have german speaking cantons that are more southern geographically than french one that are close to Bale (like 1h30 of car travel).

I think that they are practically the same people, some parts of S.French might be a bit less german shifted however. I would expect others to be well in S.German cluster. It really depends on personal family background I believe.

[Samnium]

He doesn't look Nordic at all. Probably just as dark as you.
By the way, I really wanna see your own results. Please go ahead and buy one of those lousy tests for 50-60 euros

I have eyes that are a lot more lighter but overall it's a similar pigmentation (and even I don't care). Going by features I have more nordic features but again, I don't care at all. Only complexed people think that is important.

Yes I would do one day ! My results can be pretty interesting being half and half you can expect lot of different outcomes.

[SharpFork]

*50% S.German, but they are all close populations so it's not very noticeable in my opinion, also I don't know from which canton they took the samples because I would expect variation in between the Swiss French population. I'm sure that there are Swiss French that fall right into the Swiss German cluster.

Actually middle German, middle German seem closer to southern German than they are to Low-Saxon or Westfalians anyhow.