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    He should go away from Serbia. Get out Croat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    So I guess all the dead Kosovar Albanians committed genocide on themselves? Maybe they hired Michael Bay for the CGI? Dumb fuck.
    No (and there was no genocide on Kosovo btw), but he said "You can not force them out or threat neighbors badly" implying that this is happening now or that Serbia want to do that to Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    Both Bjelopavlici and Vasojevici have oral history claiming descent from Albanian clans.
    Bjelopavlići have a legend of originating from Bijeli Pavle from Metohija/Dukagjin Sanjak, not from the Dukagjin family or Dukagjin highlands as some Wikipedia articles claim. it's not the same.
    Vasojevići are, according to their myth, a branch of Nemanjići. I can't even find a proper article claiming them to be Albanian.

    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    For instance, BY611 South Slavs mostly share a common ancestor with BY611 Albanians only 1000-1450 years ago.
    well another Kuqi case i guess. of course two neighbouring ethnicities mixed.

    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    This is natural. You have people like Bosniensis coping hard and not accepting he is actually a Slav, paternally descended from a Slav trying to connect I2-Y3120 to Paleo Balkanites, and other Serbs trying to play Illyrian whilst insulting their direct surviving descendants. Its confusing as shit to say the least. Regardless if those "Illyrians" that became ancestors of Serbs were Slavicized or not. They still were more akin to those of us they hate.
    i don't insult or hate Albanians. and i'm first to admit that paleo-Balkanians were all akin to Albanians, as you said. i just argue with πολεμιστής who claims all Paleo-Balkan heritage as Albanian, and won't admit that i have, for example, more Ardiaeian or Scordisci blood than he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by πολεμιστής View Post
    Fighting Romans, Ottomans, Slavs, being invaded by all types of empires and people while still surviving in some remote mountains and even being able to expand at one point, and in addition contributing to some of the biggest empires. I guess this is not relevant.
    I still fail to understand how any of this is relevant to Serbia?

    Do you learn about medieval Serbian kingdom? Or about serbian medieval dynasties such as Vlastimirović, Vojislavljević, Vukanović, Nemanjić etc?
    Do you learn about Serbian uprisings and renewed Serbian state in 19th century?

    My guess is that you dont because why should you when this has little relevance to Albanian people or world history as whole. Same goes for your history, its simply not relevant to Serbia that it has to be learned.

    The ''hero'' Milos in some versions is even said to of been an Albanian.
    Only in Albanian myths and legends. We cant event confirm historically that Miloš Obilić even existed since there are no primary historical sources that mention him only folk songs and legends and some later sources. But if you look at etymology of his name its purely Serbian.

    It is also ironic your whole national identity, when it shaped in the 19th century, and your nationalism was based off Dusan's empire when there is no continuity with that empire. We are looking at 500 years of discontinuity here and before the idea of modern nationalism even took it's shape.
    Serbian identity was not based on Dušan alone but all of Serbian states in medieval times, though Serbia under Nemanjić dynasty was the most relevant one.

    So how can a modern nation claim right to that empires ''territorium'' when many of it's subjects were possibly not even Serbs to begin with ? It is possible many Albanians, Vlachs and various other people at this time fused into Serbs which could explain Serbian genetics being a mix of Balkan and Slavic.
    Serbia doesnt and never did claim territories of Serbian Empire lol. If you are talking about our claims on Kosovo it has little to do with Dušan since Kosovo was part of Serbia before him.

    Many Serbian tribes also owe their origin to Albanians.
    Not many, but some do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlak View Post

    Not many, but some do.
    Like you for example

    Emphasis on Tribes, more specifically those from Brda (Malesi).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaid View Post
    Like you for example

    Emphasis on Tribes, more specifically those from Brda (Malesi).
    Yeah, Bjelopavlići, Piperi and part of Kuči.

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