29-year old Croatian student tracking the roots of the Albanians

[Dick]

You should of never come to the Balkans in the first place but you were settled there by Romans / Byzantine .

If you had a dollar for every sock account you made you'd be a millionaire.

[MagnusDark]

the Bjelopavlići lineage separated 3000 years ago from the closest Albanian one.
the Vasojevići lineage separated 4000 years ago from the closest Albanian one.

etc.

Kuči unlike those 2 have an Albanian name and an Albanian subclade of E.

Both Bjelopavlici and Vasojevici have oral history claiming descent from Albanian clans. Names don't mean much. It was not uncommon for Albanian Catholics and Christians to have either Latin or Slavic or Greek surnames and even first names. Doesn't make them so. Also I still think we have too few samples to definitively say what cluster belongs to whom. It is clear however most of these clusters with the exception of the 2 you mention that diverged earlier from common ancestor, have recent historical(early middle ages) ancestors with Albanians/Albanian clans in the same paleo-balkan lineages. For instance, BY611 South Slavs mostly share a common ancestor with BY611 Albanians only 1000-1450 years ago. They're still Slavs of course. Their earliest paternal ancestor was not though.

Idk why people are butt hurt about it. My line most likely arrived with Proto-Slavs too. Interestingly though I have a Albanian haplotype that formed and our cluster only has Albanians in it, within the last 1200 years. Probably joined Proto-Albanians at some point with first contact(likely with Bulgaro-Slavic/Avaro-Slavic tribes. So unless a more distant Albanian match appears, the Slav ancestor was likely prior to the founder effect between 1CE and 800CE. Unless cross assimilation occurred and some other migration barbarian brought it to its present location.

This is natural. You have people like Bosniensis coping hard and not accepting he is actually a Slav, paternally descended from a Slav trying to connect I2-Y3120 to Paleo Balkanites, and other Serbs trying to play Illyrian whilst insulting their direct surviving descendants. Its confusing as shit to say the least. Regardless if those "Illyrians" that became ancestors of Serbs were Slavicized or not. They still were more akin to those of us they hate.

[πολεμιστής]

Both Bjelopavlici and Vasojevici have oral history claiming descent from Albanian clans. Names don't mean much. It was not uncommon for Albanian Catholics and Christians to have either Latin or Slavic or Greek surnames and even first names. Doesn't make them so. Also I still think we have too few samples to definitively say what cluster belongs to whom. It is clear however most of these clusters with the exception of the 2 you mention that diverged earlier from common ancestor, have recent historical(early middle ages) ancestors with Albanians/Albanian clans in the same paleo-balkan lineages. For instance, BY611 South Slavs mostly share a common ancestor with BY611 Albanians only 1000-1450 years ago. They're still Slavs of course. Their earliest paternal ancestor was not though.

Idk why people are butt hurt about it. My line most likely arrived with Proto-Slavs too. Interestingly though I have a Albanian haplotype that formed and our cluster only has Albanians in it, within the last 1200 years. Probably joined Proto-Albanians at some point with first contact(likely with Bulgaro-Slavic/Avaro-Slavic tribes. So unless a more distant Albanian match appears, the Slav ancestor was likely prior to the founder effect between 1CE and 800CE. Unless cross assimilation occurred and some other migration barbarian brought it to its present location.

This is natural. You have people like Bosniensis coping hard and not accepting he is actually a Slav, paternally descended from a Slav trying to connect I2-Y3120 to Paleo Balkanites, and other Serbs trying to play Illyrian whilst insulting their direct surviving descendants. Its confusing as shit to say the least. Regardless if those "Illyrians" that became ancestors of Serbs were Slavicized or not. They still were more akin to those of us they hate.

Their ancestry from the Balkans is mostly from assimilating some Albanians and Vlachs during the medieval period but they claim it as Thracian and Illyrian and make retarded youtube videos claiming to be from ancient Illyrian and Thracian tribes when those tribes and people didn't even exist when they came.

If you had a dollar for every sock account you made you'd be a millionaire.

Why are you so butthurt ?

[MagnusDark]

Their ancestry from the Balkans is mostly from assimilating some Albanians and Vlachs during the medieval period but they claim it as Thracian and Illyrian and make retarded youtube videos claiming to be from ancient Illyrian and Thracian tribes when those tribes and people didn't even exist when they came.




Why are you so butthurt ?

For sure. They forget Thracians and Illyrians were a linguistic and cultural collection of tribes. A culture and language which was extinguished by the Romans before they arrived. Only Proto-Albanians endured from the Southern Illyrian folk. The irony is them trying to cling to their assimilated ancestors whom linguistically and culturally have Albanians as their closest representatives/relatives, whilst simultaneously hating and insulting the very direct descendants of some of their ancestors(be it by proxy or direct paternal descent). They're a confused bunch.

[πολεμιστής]

For sure. They forget Thracians and Illyrians were a linguistic and cultural collection of tribes. A culture and language which was extinguished by the Romans before they arrived. Only Proto-Albanians endured from the Southern Illyrian folk. The irony is them trying to cling to their assimilated ancestors whom linguistically and culturally have Albanians as their closest representatives/relatives, whilst simultaneously hating and insulting the very direct descendants of some of their ancestors(be it by proxy or direct paternal descent). They're a confused bunch.

If each and everyone of them got a dollar for every time they shouted ''Kosovo is Serbian'' they would be the richest country in the world . See what I did there ? Funny thing, they don't just claim Kosovo, even North Albania, Macedonia, Bosnia, parts of Croatia too.


A people settled in the Balkans by the Romans turned by the 19th century into the most chauvinistic people you can imagine with all type of propaganda and theories about others and even themselves. It is insane what nationalism can do to a nation.

[Mingle]

29 yo?

And I thought I was an old student!

RichmondBread is in his early 40s. Probably the oldest uni student here.

[Mingle]

the Bjelopavlići lineage separated 3000 years ago from the closest Albanian one.
the Vasojevići lineage separated 4000 years ago from the closest Albanian one.

etc.

Kuči unlike those 2 have an Albanian name and an Albanian subclade of E.

Couldn't it be possible for some Albanian subclades of E-V13 to have separated from one another 1000+ years ago?

[Ylla]

This place is so toxic lol

[Vožd]

Yes, we want to kill and slaughter all Albanians and expell them... what a shit propaganda.

These passive-aggressive fake leftist libtards are worser than nationalists.

[MagnusDark]

Yes, we want to kill and slaughter all Albanians and expell them... what a shit propaganda.

These passive-aggressive fake leftist libtards are worser than nationalists.

So I guess all the dead Kosovar Albanians committed genocide on themselves? Maybe they hired Michael Bay for the CGI? Dumb fuck.