Kosovo described as Bulgarian

[Dušan]

I don't even care about that place nor do I want to live there but I certainly do love to speak up when I see unjustice.

Neither your people Albos want live there, Baki.

All of them want to move to West.





In the last four months, almost 200.000 visa applications have been submitted to the German Embassy in Pristina. According to the current practice, the German embassy issues slightly more than 5.000 permits a year.

According to the Pristina media in Albanian, 11 percent of the citizens of Kosovo and Metohija have applied for a German visa since the beginning of December last year.


"From the beginning of December to the end of March, the embassy of this country in Pristina received 199.783 visa applications. This month, 48.044 requests were submitted to that embassy. In February, it was about 2.000 less, "RTS reported, writing in the media.

The German mission in Pristina, however, offers only 500 to 800 appointments a month - a total of 5.500 visas a year.

It is stated that the German authorities introduced a privileged approach for workers from the Balkans a few years ago, which made Albanians from Kosovo and Metohija a target destination.

By the way, the number of visa applications in the embassies of other western countries in Pristina is incomparably smaller.

The Swiss Embassy, ​​from November last to January this year, received a total of 8.737 visa applications.

The Croatian Embassy, ​​in the period from November to March, received 1.944 requests.

In Pristina, they point out that the intensity of submitting visa applications to the German embassy is constantly high, and that this would mean, if the trend continues, that in just one year, a third of the population wants to leave Kosovo and Metohija.

https://srbin.info/en/drustvo/skoro-...-nemacku-vizu/

[Baki]

LMAO. Native Balkan people were certainly not incorporated only onto you. And there is plenty of evidence to show this.

The Romans occupied the Balkans much longer than Ottomans. They created all kinds of messed much worse than the Ottomans. They created 'Vlachs' and 'Latins', destroyed cultures and peoples
languages. There was a huge revolt against them.

Illyrian Revolt
Illyrian_Wars


And thanks to them you were also settled there.

One must certainly be delusional to think that Albanians lived in the Western Balkans since the Iron Age / Bronze Age and had never stepped foot in any of those lands until 'Thanks to Ottomans'
Despite the Romans also having occupied the area for much longer than Ottomans. And that this supposedly caused ethnic conflicts.

In the archaeological record, the Albanoi and Albanopolis have been directly attested on two funeral inscriptions. The toponym Albanopolis has been found on a funeral inscription in Gorno Sonje, near the city of Skopje (ancient Scupi), present-day North Macedonia.[14] It was excavated in 1931 by Nikola Vulić and its text was curated and published in 1982 by Borka Dragojević-Josifovska. The inscription in Latin reads "POSIS MESTYLU F[ILIUS] FL[AVIA] DELVS MVCATI F[ILIA] DOM[O] ALBANOP[OLI] IPSA DELVS" ("Posis Mestylu, son of Flavia, daughter of Delus Mucati, who comes from Albanopolis"). It dates to the end of the 1st century CE and the beginning of the 2nd century CE. Dragojević-Josifovska added two lines to the existing reading: VIVA P(OSUIT) SIBI/ ET VIRO SUO. Delus Mucati is an Illyrian name and his home region was Albanopolis (domo Albanopoli). Dragojević-Josifovska proposed that like others he had settled in Macedonia from southern Illyria.

Your people were mentioned in the Caucasus together with Croats.

The Serboi (Ancient Greek: Σέρβοι, romanized: Sérboi) was a tribe mentioned in Greco-Roman geography as living in the North Caucasus, believed by scholars to have been Sarmatian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

[Dušan]

LMAO. Native Balkan people were certainly not incorporated only onto you. And there is plenty of evidence to show this.

Of course that pre-Slavic population of Serbia - including Kosovo, is incorporated into us.
We do not plot in same cluster with northern Slavs - Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, but southern due to that admixture.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.6968% / 1.69681692
68.9 Slavic
31.1 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman


Now go cry

[Baki]

You really love to forget the part where Albanians are Illyrians, most of the Western Balkans was inhabited by Illyrians, including Kosovo. Now Albanians, as Illyrians, could of still lived in Kosovo, Montenegro or any of these areas regardless if your people had come there or not, they were areas inhabited by Illyrians too. And if there would of been a war, they would of just had some tribal fight with some related tribe then realize later they are all related. And this probably happened for thousands of years.

This is why it is mind boggling to me how that Croat member, who claims to like Albanians, clearly has Chetnik nationalist tendencies and thinking thought process (Also admitted to having Serbian ancestry).

You really seem to have this deluded idea that you people are some type of original owners of the Balkans basically, that with only Ottomans you got driven out of your better land, in reality thanks to Roman/Byzantium your people were settled there and colonized the lands of native Balkan people.


Your presence in the Balkans is no more legitimate than the Ottoman occupation.

[Baki]

The Albanian regards the Slav as an intruder and a robber; the Slav looks on the Albanian as an inconvenient person who, though occasionally beaten, has always refused to be conquered; and, having the inestimable advantage of being more skilled in literature, he has consistently represented the voiceless Albanian as a brigand and a plunderer of Slav villages. As a matter of history, the boot is on the other foot. Setting aside the fact that both Albanian and Slav can be, and are, brigands on occasion, the Albanian and his kindred had been for centuries quarrelling comfortably among themselves when the Slav hordes poured across the Danube, and drove the old inhabitants by sheer weight of numbers from the plains to the uplands, and from the uplands to the mountains.

Among the inaccessible crags on the western side of the Balkan Peninsula, facing the Adriatic Sea, the remnants of the old autochthonous peoples of Illyria, Epirus, Macedonia, and Thrace, have for centuries held their own against the recurring floods of Kelts, Goths, Serbs, Bulgars, and Turks. Like the Montenegrins who hold the northern part of their mountains, the Albanians have been defeated, and have seen their villages burned and their families massacred, but they have never been finally conquered. The only difference is that while the Albanians had been defending their fastnesses for many generations before the Slavs of Montenegro came south of the Danube, they have never had the good fortune, or it may be the intelligence, to acquire a really powerful literary advertiser. Even Lord Byron passed them over in favour of the Greeks, though he credited the 'wild Albanian kirtled to his knee' with never having shown an enemy his back or broken his faith to a guest.

Byron, Finlay, and a hundred others, did their best to make Europe believe that the modern Greek is the true descendant of the ancient Hellene, but none of them ever gave the Albanian the credit due to him. Then the fashion changed; the Slav came to the front, and Mr. Gladstone, Lord Tennyson with his Montenegrin sonnet, Miss Irby of Serajevo, and a host of writers, came forward to extol the Serb and the less sympathetic but still Slavised Bulgar, with the result that the average man believes that the Slavs were the original owners of the Balkan Peninsula, and that the Turks took it from them at the battle of Kossovo in 1389.

The Serb is sympathetic in the passive sense of the word; he attracts people with his easy philosophy and his careless way of treating and looking at life. The modern Bulgar does not attract. He inspires respect, perhaps, but not affection. In racial characteristics the Serbs are akin to the Western Irish and the Bulgarians to the Lowland Scotch; and the more plausible man naturally makes the more favourable impression on the passing observer. So it is that writers on the Balkans often unwittingly inspire their untravelled readers with the notion that the Serbs, now represented by the Servians and Montenegrins, were the original owners of the Balkans, but shared the eastern part with the Bulgars, while the Turks were intruders who unjustly seized the country and are now justly surrendering it to the rightful possessors.

In reality, the Albanians, or Shkypetars, as they are properly called, represent the original owners of the peninsula, for the Serbs did not cross the Danube until about 550 A.D., nor the Bulgars till 679 A.D., when the Shkypetars had enjoyed over eleven hundred years' possession of the land, enlivened by petty tribal fights, battles with or under the Macedonian kings, and struggles with Rome. In every town and district which the Slavs can claim by right of conquest under some nebulous and transitory Empire, the Albanians can oppose the title of original ownership of the soil from ages when neither history nor the Slavs were known in the Balkans. The Romans, unlike most of the invaders who came after them, were administrators, and a province was usually the better for their rule.

- The Wild Albanian

[Dušan]

You really love to forget the part where Albanians are Illyrians, most of the Western Balkans was inhabited by Illyrians, including Kosovo. Now Albanians, as Illyrians, could of still lived in Kosovo, Montenegro or any of these areas regardless if your people had come there or not, they were areas inhabited by Illyrians too. And if there would of been a war, they would of just had some tribal fight with some related tribe then realize later they are all related. And this probably happened for thousands of years.

This is why it is mind boggling to me how that Croat member, who claims to like Albanians, clearly has Chetnik nationalist tendencies and thinking thought process (Also admitted to having Serbian ancestry).

You really seem to have this deluded idea that you people are some type of original owners of the Balkans basically, that with only Ottomans you got driven out of your better land, in reality thanks to Roman/Byzantium your people were settled there and colonized the lands of native Balkan people.


Your presence in the Balkans is no more legitimate than the Ottoman occupation.

Where are the material traces and proves that you lived in Kosovo & Metohija?

I posted Serbian medieval monasteries that were build centuries ago.

There are no any traces of Albanians.

Your kind lived primitive way of life in northern Albanian mountians and then settled in Kosovo & Metohija in 17th century due to Ottoman wars.

You didnt know to build a proper house until 20th century, let alone churches and monasteries.

[Baki]

That land is not yours and that is a 1000% fact, basically just some place you managed to colonize like the French who colonized Algeria, and it is certainly something that did not happen naturally, none of the demographics showing a numerous Slavic population happened naturally, you basically pushed many of the natives out like I showed you in the other thread.. Your empire caused a lot of destruction, worse than the Ottomans, the Ottomans at least brought some freedom. It used to be an Illyrian land, suddenly turned into Slavic and you think this happened naturally ? One could make any claim like this. You could even claim Albania or Macedonia based on this type of logic.


Historical facts are historical facts. The fact that place was held by so many people and you still thinks it belongs to you shows how extremely delusional you are. Even claim to be direct descendants of all the pre-Slavic inhabitants, claim you have been making up the majority there since 600 AD. It is nonsense claims as this thread shows.




Bye bye

[TheMaestro]

Of course that pre-Slavic population of Serbia - including Kosovo, is incorporated into us.
We do not plot in same cluster with northern Slavs - Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, but southern due to that admixture.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.6968% / 1.69681692
68.9 Slavic
31.1 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman


Now go cry

I wouldn't use genome as a source/fact to claim anything lol. Its normal you're not gonna plot with Poles, when your real "Serb" ancestors came into Balkans in 6th century and intermixed with native population (Greeks/Albanians/Romanians).

[Baki]

I forgot to add something (As this is a topic I could talk all
day about)

There are even Balkan Turks who are more native by DNA
than some Balkan Slavs. It is interesting how the
presence of Turks and Islam is seen as something illegitimate
yet the presence of Slavs and Slavicization is looked
at as something legitimate and natural. This is of course
some propaganda. Your peoples presence there
is no more legitimate than the Ottomans or the arrival of
Turks or Islam.

In reality your people's arrival to the Balkans caused far
more destruction than the Ottomans ever caused.

As for Illyrians, many of these tribes were related
and they even branched off from each other.
They fought each other and many times they fought
together against the Greeks and Macedonians.

The Albanoi branched off from the Taulantii tribe
and the Taulantii tribe allied for example with the
Dardanians against the Macedonians. They also
allied with the Epirotes. These tribes
would of continued living uninterrupted.

Albanians would of lived in those lands regardless.
They would of just had some fights with some related
tribe. Basically like Native Indian tribes.

It was Romans that destroyed that place together with allowing
your people to settle there, then came also the Bulgarians,
all this caused massive destruction, population movements and
large demographic changes which never happened naturally.
And I am pretty sure it triggered Vlach migrations in several
directions.

Your people basically mass settled everywhere, there is not
a single land your people didn't touch, yet any kind of
Albanian movement or settlement is supposedly illegitimate
and caused an ethnic conflict. Completely nonsense analogy.
Large part of the Western Balkans was occupied by the Serbian Empire,
and they were pushing their borders into Northern Greece too.
Who knows what type of conflicts would of happened if not for Ottomans.
There would of definitely still been conflicts. You would of even started
settling Greece and started claiming Greece too. Like you do with every other land.

Had it not been for Albanian principalities dominating medieval Albania, that place would of had a large Slavic population and it still has a Slavic minority.
Probably would of been an ethnic conflict there eventually too.

Lets not forget you were looking during the Balkan wars to also occupy Albania and gain access to the sea and coastal towns such as (Durres) which had never been historically held by your people. And also you occupied and invaded Macedonia, massacred the Macedonian and Albanian population, Skopje had a much larger Albanian population many were pushed out, Bitola, Manastir, etc many of these had large Albanian and Vlach populations either expelled out or the Orthodox forcibly Slavicized. It is all very well documented. Are you going to blame it on Ottomans too ?

Somebody put a gun to your head to invade Macedonia and Albania like you occupied Kosovo in 1912 ? Or Northern Albania like Shkodra ? Or the Albanian
areas of Montenegro ?

It is hilarious how all this is seen as legitimate yet any demographic change that went in favour of Albanians as illegitimate.


Basically thanks to Romans/Byzantium you immigrants were allowed to settle there and now claim to be the original owners and claiming Ottomans as invaders.
The Ottomans are no more invaders than you, they arrived there just like you arrived there. And you settled there like everyone else.


How exactly is the Romanization, Slavicization etc of the Balkans more legitimate than the Islamization or Turkification ?

It isn't, none of these existed and basically is what created all that mess.

[Baki]

I wouldn't use genome as a source/fact to claim anything lol. Its normal you're not gonna plot with Poles, when your real "Serb" ancestors came into Balkans in 6th century and intermixed with native population (Greeks/Albanians/Romanians).

While some were assimilated indeed, a lot of the pre-Slavic population of Kosovo and Serbia is definitely not incorporated into them. I don't know what this guy is even on about. I have already shown enough evidence for this. It was ruled for hundreds of years by Bulgarians when the Serbs were not even there, and when the Serbs ruled it they had laws that forbid them to marry Vlachs. There were Vlachs that migrated out. There were also Albanians there as shown by Serb medieval scriptures. The law for marriage did not apply for Albanians.

These people basically seem to love ignoring historical evidence. The only claim they seem to have is some autosomal DNA, no language, culture or anything.
Nothing that links these people as the direct descendants of pre-Slavic Balkan inhabitants. Anyone could make these kind of claims for any thing.

They settled some small territory called Rashka, some pre-Slavic population was assimilated maybe there. They also invaded Albania, Macedonia and some of it comes from there too.
There were also intermarriages. A lot of their Y-DNA is linked to the Slavic migration for example rather than indigenous Balkan people. The guy has a Y-DNA linked to the Slavic migrations.

Basically everyone has been assimilated in all kinds of direction by all people. Everyone has migrated. There were also Vlachs assimilated into Albanians and Greeks. Lots of Vlachs settled Greece.
Vlachs into Serbs were not assimilated until the Ottoman period.

The entire agenda of these people is basically to claim that they are the original inhabitants and try to link themselves directly with the pre-Slavic inhabitants. The entire Western Balkans was invaded by these people. They present the process of Slavicization as natural yet Albanization, Islamization etc is seen illegitimate. Basically just some territories these people once colonized, some people
were forcibly Slavicized, some people were pushed out etc.

For example Bosniaks, are seen as nothing but Ottoman leftovers that adopted Islam (process of Islamization) yet when one applies this logic to Slavicization is it seen as perfectly natural.