Hol tart jelenleg a magyar őstörténet kutatás? Türk Attila és Török Tibor beszélget

[Blondie]

Fontosabb elhangzott dolgok:

-Nincs semmilyen bizonyíték hogy amit eddig "köznépnek" neveztünk az "elittel" együtt került volna ide a Honfoglaláskor.
-A honfoglalók etnikailag elég homogének voltak, türk genetikájuk volt és valószínűleg türk nyelven beszéltek, antropológiailag főleg turanidok voltak.
-Az avarok burjátok voltak és mongol nyelven beszéltek, külsőre teljesen mongoloidok voltak.
-A magyar nyelv a Honfoglalás előtt jelen volt a Kárpát Medencében, a honfoglaló türk elit (Árpádék) nyelvileg asszimilálódott.
-A honfoglalók nem lehettek sokan kb pár tízezerre saccolják. A helyben talált népesség 1 millió körül mozgott és genetikailag elszlávosodott avarok éltek a Kárpát Medencében.

[ixulescu]

1. It's possible that Ugro/Slavic population (more numerous) migrated together with Turkic leadership, much like Slavic population migrated with Bulgar leadership in the case of Bulgarians.

2. I see they're still insisting on migrationist theory for Romanians. This theory is dead - it was dead for a long time but genetic evidence buried it. Modern Romanians cluster closest to Paleolithic samples found in Transylvania (on maternal line). Romanians have far more local paleo Euro DNA than Hungarians. It's time to accept that.

[Blondie]

2. I see they're still insisting on migrationist theory for Romanians.

They didn't talk about this, it have nothing to do with this thread. Keep moving.

[ixulescu]

They didn't talk about this, it have nothing to do with this thread. Keep moving.

They say that Slavo-Avar population in the Carpathian basin had around 1 million people. This is their estimate for the entire population of the area, meaning Romanians weren't there.

As a population estimate for Pannonia and Transylvania taken together this is pretty much an accepted number. The ethnicity breakdown is not.

[Blondie]

They say that Slavo-Avar population in the Carpathian basin had around 1 million people. This is their estimate for the entire population of the area, meaning Romanians weren't there.

As a population estimate for Pannonia and Transylvania taken together this is pretty much an accepted number. The ethnicity breakdown is not.

They said the population was mostly slavized avar, not only. They didn't mention many other ethnicity because it was a little segment in the story.
By the way this thread is not about romanian history, don't flood this thread with it.

[ixulescu]

They said the population was mostly slavized avar, not only. They didn't mention many other ethnicity because it was a little segment in the story.
By the way this thread is not about romanian history, don't flood this thread with it.

Maybe they used "mostly" I can't tell through translation. Regardless, it is wrong. The Avar element was tiny - why even mention it while ignoring the most numerically important population in the area. This is autistic as fuck - it's not like they don't know the latest population genetics finds.

[Blondie]

Maybe they used "mostly" I can't tell through translation. Regardless, it is wrong. The Avar element was tiny - why even mention it while ignoring the most numerically important population in the area. This is autistic as fuck - it's not like they don't know the latest population genetics finds.

Avars were mongoloid and mongol speaker buryat invaders from East Asia, they have lost their language later. The "slavo-avar" name is misleading, they were slavs with minor avar ancestry.

[Blondie]

The point of this newest theory is: the hungarian speaker population migrated here in many waves between 5-8. century, genetically they were uralic speaker slavs, which was result of slavic-uralic mixing in East Europe and connected to other slavic migration waves. The Árpáds were turkic speakerswith homogenous turkic genetic, who have settled here in the 9. century, later they were assimilated into the local hungarian speaker slav population. Of course there were other slavs here serbs, croats in South, ancestors of slovaks in North, not all local slav was hungarian speaker.

[Sekkmer]

The point of this newest theory is: the hungarian speaker population migrated here in many waves between 5-8. century, genetically they were uralic speaker slavs, which was result of slavic-uralic mixing in East Europe and connected to other slavic migration waves. The Árpáds were turkic speakerswith homogenous turkic genetic, who have settled here in the 9. century, later they were assimilated into the local hungarian speaker slav population. Of course there were other slavs here serbs, croats in South, ancestors of slovaks in North, not all local slav was hungarian speaker.

So these are the latest studies, hmm interesting.

[oszkar07]

The point of this newest theory is: the hungarian speaker population migrated here in many waves between 5-8. century, genetically they were uralic speaker slavs, which was result of slavic-uralic mixing in East Europe and connected to other slavic migration waves. The Árpáds were turkic speakerswith homogenous turkic genetic, who have settled here in the 9. century, later they were assimilated into the local hungarian speaker slav population. Of course there were other slavs here serbs, croats in South, ancestors of slovaks in North, not all local slav was hungarian speaker.

Blondie I been talking about this idea for ages ... and its not totally new theory its connected to Gyula
Laszlo dual conquest theory. It sounds like they have just started to find more proof for it.
I have been presenting this idea for long times.
Gyula Laszlo focused more on the idea that Avars were either the Magyar speakers or that Magyar speakers were present and had been mislabelled Avars.

This newer theory takes more Urallic and Slav connection with idea of migration of Hungarian speakers between 5-8 century but it kind of fits in with Laszlo'sz idea that Arpads people were not necessarily Hungarian speakers and possibly more a Turkic people.