Hol tart jelenleg a magyar őstörténet kutatás? Türk Attila és Török Tibor beszélget

[Ülev]

Nagy öröm, hogy végre sok dologra fény derül, amiről eddig csend volt

[Blondie]

Blondie I been talking about this idea for ages ... and its not totally new theory its connected to Gyula
Laszlo dual conquest theory. It sounds like they have just started to find more proof for it.
I have been presenting this idea for long times.

No you are wrong. László Gyula's theory is debunked, because he thought avars were the 1. wave of hungarians but they were not. The newest sources proved avars were mongols (buryats) and had different genetic than Árpáds or the common folk.

[Mr.G]

I love the brief song at the beginning - it sounds like 1950's American Doo-wop. Anyone know the full song?

As for the video, I'm working on finding a way to translate it..

[oszkar07]

No you are wrong. László Gyula's theory is debunked, because he thought avars were the 1. wave of hungarians but they were not. The newest sources proved avars were mongols (buryats) and had different genetic than Árpáds or the common folk.

Yes he focused more on the Avars , however he presented the idea that Arpad's people were possibly not Magyar speakers and possibly Turkic and also that there population size of Arpads people compared with population in karpat medence was not big enough to spread the Hungarian language over the host population.

The theory has been advanced in your video but a lot of the premise of it relates to Gyula Laszlo theory.

BTW : i didnt say good bye only because i knew you would be back lol... which Im happy for ...always enjoy your threads .

[oszkar07]

Gyula László's Avar-Hungarian continuity theory
Gyula László, a Hungarian archaeologist, suggests that late Avars, arriving to the khaganate in 670 in great numbers, lived through the time between the destruction and plunder of the Avar state by the Franks during 791–795 and the arrival of the Magyars in 895. László points out that the settlements of the Hungarians (Magyars) complemented, rather than replaced, those of the Avars. Avars remained on the plough fields, good for agriculture, while Hungarians took the river banks and river flats, suitable for pasturage. He also notes that while the Hungarian graveyards consist of 40–50 graves on average, those of the Avars contain 600–1000. According to these findings, the Avars not only survived the end of the Avar polity but lived in great masses and far outnumbered the Hungarian conquerors of Árpád. He also shows that Hungarians occupied only the centre of the Carpathian basin, but Avars lived in a larger territory. Looking at those territories where only the Avars lived, one only finds Hungarian geographical names, not Slavic or Turkic as would be expected interspersed among them. This is further evidence for the Avar-Hungarian continuity. Names of the Hungarian tribes, chieftains and the words used for the leaders, etc., suggest that at least the leaders of the Hungarian conquerors were Turkic speaking. However, Hungarian is not a Turkic language, rather Finno-Ugric, and so they must have been assimilated by the Avars that outnumbered them and the genetics of today's modern Hungarians is no different than that of neighboring West Slavs as well as western Ukrainians. László's Avar-Hungarian continuity theory also states that the modern Hungarian language descends from that spoken by the Avars rather than the conquering Magyars.[84][85] László's research does suggest, at the very least, that it is likely that any remaining Avars in the Carpathian Basin who resisted Slavic assimilation were absorbed by the invading Magyars and lost their identity.

László Makkai & András Mócsy, editors, 2001. History of Transylvania, II.4, "The period of Avar rule"

[Kökény]

I love the brief song at the beginning - it sounds like 1950's American Doo-wop. Anyone know the full song?

It's called "Ki ölte meg Kennedyt?" By Béla Neményi.

[Mr.G]

It's called "Ki ölte meg Kennedyt?" By Béla Neményi.

Thank you, you're awesome! I love this song, makes me smile, and my head bob up and down..

[Mr.G]

It's called "Ki ölte meg Kennedyt?" By Béla Neményi.

Whoa, it centers around the Kennedy assassination - heavy stuff. The uptempo of the chorus belies the seriousness of the subject matter a little bit. Interesting.

[Kökény]

Whoa, it centers around the Kennedy assassination - heavy stuff. The uptempo of the chorus belies the seriousness of the subject matter a little bit. Interesting.

Yeah, I thought the title was kinda interesting. The song is from '67 so it actually makes sense.

[Blondie]

Whoa, it centers around the Kennedy assassination - heavy stuff. The uptempo of the chorus belies the seriousness of the subject matter a little bit. Interesting.

Here is the complete lyrics:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6342095