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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno of Citium View Post
    I'm talking about the smartphone, not the fucking simple telephone. They are different. In many, many aspects.
    Listen Greek monkey : The smartphone is a combination of the simple telephone and the computer. Computer technology was invented by Charles Babbage, Ada Byron Lovelace, Alan Turing, William Shockley etc.. etc.. no Greek monkeys or southern Euros involved !
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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Now you confirm that you have no idea regard the history of mathematic

    Leibniz and Newton did not invent derivatives, integration, series, or even the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

    Leibniz and Newton discovered that derivative and integration are the 2 sides of the same coin..

    Torricelli taught almost everything to Barrow ( who spent years in Italy ) and Barrow was the teacher of Newton..


    Gabriel's horn (also called Torricelli's trumpet) is a geometric figure which has infinite surface area but finite volume.

    This is the TORRICELLI FORMULA.. as you can see there are INTEGRAL CALCULATION



    After the Italians it was a piece of cake to develop a better mathematic..
    Toricelli's trumpet is not Calculus. How can you compute the path of a missile or a rain drop with Toricelli's trumpet ? You can't. You don't know what you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Toricelli's trumpet is not Calculus. How can you compute the path of a missile or a rain drop with Toricelli's trumpet ? You can't. You don't know what you are talking about.

    Integral and derivative are the foundations of calculus.. and they were not invented by Newton or Leibniz... -IGNORANT-

    A Brief History of Infinitesimals: The Idea That Gave Birth to Modern Calculus

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...dern-calculus/

    It was not until the 16th and 17th centuries that a new generation of mathematicians especially Italy (Bonaventura Cavalieri, Evangelista Torricelli) began to probe the strict separation between discrete points and continuous magnitudes. What would happen, they wondered, if we assumed that a line is a string of infinitesimals—of tiny, or infinitely small, points? And similarly that a plane is composed of lines placed side by side, and a solid of planes stacked on top of one another?




    NEWTON WAS BORN IN 1642..
    CAVALIERI WAS BORN IN 1598
    TORRICELLI WAS BORN IN 1608
    FERMAT WAS BORN IN 1607



    Cavalieri had no books in his library about calculus.. Newton had Cavalieri Torricelli Fermat Barrow ( who learnt a lot from Torricelli during his travel in Italy ) books in his library...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Listen Greek monkey : The smartphone is a combination of the simple telephone and the computer. Computer technology was invented by Charles Babbage, Ada Byron Lovelace, Alan Turing, William Shockley etc.. etc.. no Greek monkeys or southern Euros involved !
    The analog computer, the first form of the computer, was discovered by Greeks with the Antikythera mechanism. Alan Turing was for coding. The smartphone was invented by an Italian named Frank Canova for a company known as IBM and it isn't a combination of a telephone and a computer, it's a portable computer only. Most people are communicating through messages in apps. That's not a telephone characteristic. You don't seem to know a lot about smartphones.

    And make playground insults, I'm sure it shows your IQ highly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Da Vinci was jack of all trades and master of none. For instance, in art Michaelangelo beats him and in technology Watt and Edison beat him etc..
    Lol.

    You barely know anything to Da Vinci life.

    He was a genius in mechanics and innovation, he created hundreds of systems and mechanisms with an important part of these working in real life. He drawn and wrote thousands of pages on anatomics, fly mechanics, mechanics of fluids...

    He isn't considered as a scientifical genius for nothing.

    In art Michelangelo was surely better in making sculptures but honestly Michelangelo paintings are a bit too rigid and a lot less meaningfull than Leonardo's works. Capella Sixitine is masterpiece surely, but you can't compare that to his paintings in terms of evocation, atmosphere and expression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Lol.

    You barely know anything to Da Vinci life.

    He was a genius in mechanics and innovation, he created hundreds of systems and mechanisms with an important part of these working in real life. He drawn and wrote thousands of pages on anatomics, fly mechanics, mechanics of fluids...

    He isn't considered as a scientifical genius for nothing.

    In art Michelangelo was surely better in making sculptures but honestly Michelangelo paintings are a bit too rigid and a lot less meaningfull than Leonardo's works. Capella Sixitine is masterpiece surely, but you can't compare that to his paintings in terms of evocation, atmosphere and expression.
    He is was not a scientific genius. Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Darwin they are scientific geniuses : Da Vinci Jack of all trades and master of none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno of Citium View Post
    No, Archimedes and Eudoxus found the calculus purely.

    And your whole post is unironically trying to cope with my argumentation points. Without disproving them.
    Ancient Greeks only scratched the surface. What they found they couldn't formalize in the coherent view, except for Euclidean geometry. Newton and Leibnitz are widely regarded as founders of real analysis, but it doesn't mean they figured it all by themselves. You can say mathematics is like archeology, meaning that the aforementioned duo used previously found pieces of the puzzle to construct basis for real analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Integral and derivative are the foundations of calculus.. and they were not invented by Newton or Leibniz... -IGNORANT-

    A Brief History of Infinitesimals: The Idea That Gave Birth to Modern Calculus

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...dern-calculus/

    It was not until the 16th and 17th centuries that a new generation of mathematicians especially Italy (Bonaventura Cavalieri, Evangelista Torricelli) began to probe the strict separation between discrete points and continuous magnitudes. What would happen, they wondered, if we assumed that a line is a string of infinitesimals—of tiny, or infinitely small, points? And similarly that a plane is composed of lines placed side by side, and a solid of planes stacked on top of one another?






    NEWTON WAS BORN IN 1642..
    CAVALIERI WAS BORN IN 1598
    TORRICELLI WAS BORN IN 1608
    FERMAT WAS BORN IN 1607



    Cavalieri had no books in his library about calculus.. Newton had Cavalieri Torricelli Fermat Barrow ( who learnt a lot from Torricelli during his travel in Italy ) books in his library...
    I do not have time for this bullshit Man. I have three people arguing against me in this thread.

    You are a clown you cited one website but I could cite hundreds of books that disagree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
    SE will always be the smartest area.

    Also we don't use Andrea as female name like in Germany or UK...
    Andrea sounds feminine even that name has male versions, Andres, Andrew, Andreu etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    He is was not a scientific genius.
    "As an artist, sculptor, and engineer, da Vinci wanted to know not only how the body was constructed and how it worked, but also where the emotions came from and how they were expressed. His meticulous dissections and drawings of muscles, nerves, and vessels reflected the engineer in him, but he struggled to move on from ancient notions of bodily functions, although his painstaking empirical work got him there in the end. He discovered that the humours did not reside in three cerebral ventricles, that the heart, not the liver, was at the core of the blood system, and was the first to describe atherosclerosis and hepatic cirrhosis. He used molten wax to define the anatomical cerebral ventricles, and made a model glass aorta to study the flow of blood across the aortic valve, using water containing grass seeds to observe patterns of flow. He described the coronary sinuses almost 200 years before Valsalva gave them his name, and, 120 years before Harvey, was surely only a heartbeat away from grasping the idea of the circulation of the blood."

    (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3361109/)


    "Leonardo had an almost perfect understanding of the physiology of the human heart. But he had no inkling of the circulation of the blood, and the existence of one-way valves was incompatible with the ancient belief that the heart simply churned blood in and out of the ventricles, thus generating heat and 'vital spirit'."

    "He concentrated on the bones and muscles, analysing their structure in purely mechanical terms, and the results were spectacular (Fig. 2). Perhaps encouraged by the professional anatomist, Leonardo illustrated every bone except those of the skull, and most of the major muscle groups."

    https://www.nature.com/articles/484314a

    "As an adult, Leonardo had only two childhood memories, one of which was the finding of a cave in the Apennines. Although fearing that he might be attacked by a wild beast, he ventured in driven "by the burning desire to see whether there might be any marvelous thing within."

    Leonardo's earliest dated drawing is a study of the Arno valley, strongly emphasizing its geological features. His notebooks contain landscapes with a wealth of geological observation from the regions of both Florence and Milan, often including atmospheric effects such as a heavy rainstorm pouring down on a town at the foot of a mountain range.

    It had been observed for many years that strata in mountains often contained bands of sea shells. Conservative science said that these could be explained by the Great Flood described in the Bible. Leonardo's observations convinced him that this could not possibly be the case.


    The Virgin of the Rocks

    And a little beyond the sandstone conglomerate, a tufa has been formed, where it turned towards Castel Florentino; farther on, the mud was deposited in which the shells lived, and which rose in layers according to the levels at which the turbid Arno flowed into that sea. And from time to time the bottom of the sea was raised, depositing these shells in layers, as may be seen in the cutting at Colle Gonzoli, laid open by the Arno which is wearing away the base of it; in which cutting the said layers of shells are very plainly to be seen in clay of a bluish colour, and various marine objects are found there.[7]

    This quotation makes clear the breadth of Leonardo's understanding of geology, including the action of water in creating sedimentary rock, the tectonic action of the Earth in raising the sea bed and the action of erosion in the creation of geographical features."


    "Among the detailed images that Leonardo drew are many studies of the human skeleton. He was the first to describe the double S form of the backbone. He also studied the inclination of pelvis and sacrum and stressed that sacrum was not uniform, but composed of five fused vertebrae. He also studied the anatomy of the human foot and its connection to the leg, and from these studies, he was able to further his studies in biomechanics.

    Leonardo was a physiologist as well as an anatomist, studying the function of the human body as well as examining and recording its structure. He dissected and drew the human skull and cross-sections of the brain, transversal, sagittal, and frontal. These drawings may be linked to a search for the sensus communis, the locus of the human senses,[8] which, by Medieval tradition, was located at the exact physical center of the skull.


    Studies of a fœtus from Leonardo's journals
    Leonardo studied internal organs, being the first to draw the human appendix and the lungs, mesentery, urinary tract, reproductive organs, the muscles of the cervix and a detailed cross-section of coitus. He was one of the first to draw a scientific representation of the fetus in the intrautero."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc...nardo_da_Vinci


    Da Vinci Jack of all trades and master of none.
    Dude you're calling one of the most outstanding geniuses that humanity has counted as a "master of none".

    I have to correct you, Leonardo was absolutely a master in engineering, drawing, painting, in physics as well (particuliarly in mechanics) and a brilliant physiologist and anatomist.

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