Osmanlı'da Türk düşmanlığı/ Ottomans were enemies of Turks

[kalach]

My ancestors have been part of both Byzantine and Ottoman Administration and we know everything.

If I say that Ottoman Empire wasn't Turkic than it wasn't.

Learn your history properly.

There was 50x more Anatolians than Turkic invaders.

At the beginning, it was Turkish/Turkic for sure. But, after Sultans marrying, reproducing always Balkan women, taking Balkan people as statesmen by assimilation, I guess their ethnic priorities changed. After rise of nationalism by French revolution, I guess Ottomans saw only Anatolian Turks didn't leave them and they turned back into Turkish identity. It's all about pragmatism. I think today's Anatolian Turkish identity is smth inorganic and founded by Ottoman elites near collapse of empire to have a loyal demographics at least in Anatolia.

[Bosniensis]

At the beginning, it was Turkish/Turkic for sure. But, after Sultans marrying, reproducing always Balkan women, taking Balkan people as statesmen by assimilation, I guess their ethnic priorities changed. After rise of nationalism by French revolution, I guess Ottomans saw only Anatolian Turks didn't leave them and they turned back into Turkish identity. It's all about pragmatism. I think today's Anatolian Turkish identity is smth inorganic and founded by Ottoman elites near collapse of empire to have a loyal demographics at least in Anatolia.

Turkish Nationalism came as a Western Innovation.

Turkish Nationalism is built on What? A Language that Attaturk forcefully introduced to Non-Turks?

Do you have Paternal Ancestry from Altaic Mountains in Mongolia? You don't.

The reason Orthodox Leftover assumed "Greek" identity, there was nothing else for Anatolians but to take "Turk" identity which means "Muslim".

Modern Turkish people are in the state of Self-Humiliation for the last 100 years.

I am just waiting it to explode. And it will.

Just because someone is Muslim or speak Turkish language, he can't be Turk.

Turk is a Biological Ethnicity for certain tribal and nomadic peoples, and not Hitties, Syrians, Armenians, Greeks, Slavs etc..

[kalach]

Turkish Nationalism came as a Western Innovation.

Turkish Nationalism is built on What? A Language that Attaturk forcefully introduced to Non-Turks?

Do you have Paternal Ancestry from Altaic Mountains in Mongolia? You don't.

The reason Orthodox Leftover assumed "Greek" identity, there was nothing else for Anatolians but to take "Turk" identity which means "Muslim".

Modern Turkish people are in the state of Self-Humiliation for the last 100 years.

I am just waiting it to explode. And it will.

Just because someone is Muslim or speak Turkish language, he can't be Turk.

Turk is a Biological Ethnicity for certain tribal and nomadic peoples, and not Hitties, Syrians, Armenians, Greeks, Slavs etc..

Do you think it matters? My hometown had lots of Armenians before their expelling. Some of them stood and converted. Many of those people vote Turkish nationalist parties generally. Do you think blood matters so much in a national identity? I don't think so, I would not try to change my identity even if I found out I'm +90% Anatolian native. I believe national identities should be about popular pragmatism and an agreement to feel an identity at this age. Tribal times past, I would prefer an ethnic Kurd or Laz paying his taxes, having well manner, being just and hard-working in his job, feeling Turk as an overidentity instead of a pure Turanid Turk not doing these.

[Hajimurad]

My ancestors have been part of both Byzantine and Ottoman Administration and we know everything.

If I say that Ottoman Empire wasn't Turkic than it wasn't.

Learn your history properly.

There was 50x more Anatolians than Turkic invaders.

I don't agree with you. Ottoman empire is Turkic not because of majority of population but because of Turkmen (by paternal origin) ruling dynasty and use of Turkish language in administration. Ottoman padishahs fight against tribal Turks in order to protect tax-payers from them. Same thing is done also by Arab Gulf kings against their Bedouin relatives.

[Bosniensis]

Do you think it matters? My hometown had lots of Armenians before their expelling. Some of them stood and converted. Many of those people vote Turkish nationalist parties generally. Do you think blood matters so much in a national identity? I don't think so, I would not try to change my identity even if I found out I'm +90% Anatolian native. I believe national identities should be about popular pragmatism and an agreement to feel an identity at this age. Tribal times past, I would prefer an ethnic Kurd or Laz paying his taxes, having well manner, being just and hard-working in his job, feeling Turk as an overidentity instead of a pure Turanid Turk not doing these.

ROFL

You are that what your Grand Grand Grand Grand Father was.

Not what you decide to be

lol.


You can't change your identity.

[Thracian]

Turkish Nationalism came as a Western Innovation.

Turkish Nationalism is built on What? A Language that Attaturk forcefully introduced to Non-Turks?

Do you have Paternal Ancestry from Altaic Mountains in Mongolia? You don't.

The reason Orthodox Leftover assumed "Greek" identity, there was nothing else for Anatolians but to take "Turk" identity which means "Muslim".

Modern Turkish people are in the state of Self-Humiliation for the last 100 years.

I am just waiting it to explode. And it will.

Just because someone is Muslim or speak Turkish language, he can't be Turk.

Turk is a Biological Ethnicity for certain tribal and nomadic peoples, and not Hitties, Syrians, Armenians, Greeks, Slavs etc..

All ethnic Turks were speaking Turkish already. No one forced them to speak Turkish.

According to your logic, I am more related with Poles since my Y-DNA is common among them. You already wrote that You are that what your Grand Grand Grand Grand Father was. And of course, you have nothing to with ancient Balkan people either.

Tell me then, how can you be a Bosniak just because you are a Muslim but not a Muslim Serb? According to your claims, you can not be a Bosniak.

[kalach]

ROFL

You are that what your Grand Grand Grand Grand Father was.

Not what you decide to be

lol.


You can't change your identity.

Your grand grand grand grandfather decides your ethnicity 1/2^n, I don't think it matters already.

So, you can't be an Ottoman by this logic, since you are Slavic Bosnian originally. I think national identities should be more inclusive for people willing to assimilate others.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

Ottoman Empire wasn't turkic for sure.Yes founders of Ottoman Empire were turkic/anatolian mutts but after the invasion of Balkans,Empire changed into Muslim Byzantine.Also Ottomans conquered Balkans before Central Anatolia as you know.
You are right at some point.Sultan 1. Selim removed most of oghuz turks from Eastern Anatolia to Iran during Shia rebellion that is why there is no turkic blood in Eastern Anatolia cuz turkics were removed by Sultan Selim.(except Ramazansons they had their own state at that time)So yes I consider 1.Selim as an anti turkic also that guy was a fanatic islamist.

[Bosniensis]

All ethnic Turks were speaking Turkish already. No one forced them to speak Turkish.

According to your logic, I am more related with Poles since my Y-DNA is common among them. You already wrote that You are that what your Grand Grand Grand Grand Father was. And of course, you have nothing to with ancient Balkan people either.

Tell me then, how can you be a Bosniak just because you are a Muslim but not a Muslim Serb? According to your claims, you can not be a Bosniak.

I am muslim Serb, but Bosniak because all muslims Serbs have abandoned their identity and identify as Bosniaks. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT HERE.

Also Bosniak, Serbs, Croats are like Tribes, where Armenians and Turks are completely different people.

But how many Armenians identify as Turk?

How many Laz people identify as Turk?

How many Greek people identify as Turk?

DOZENS OF MILLIONS.

Noone explained them in 1920 what Turk means, and I bet 90% of them taught it means "MUSLIM".

Isn't that a Crime?

Isn't it a Crime even in ISLAM to declare to be of ancestry of a people you don't belong?

How dare they (those Laz and Armenian Muslims) to call themselves Turks?

[Dušan]

ROFL

You are that what your Grand Grand Grand Grand Father was.

Not what you decide to be

lol.


You can't change your identity.

Your Grand Grand Grand Grand Father was Orthodox Christian, but someone of his descendants decided to be Muslim.