Turkey's No Longer Best-Kept Secret: Islamized Christians

[Hurrem sultana]

About circassians:

It is the tradition of the early church that Christianity made its first appearance in Circassia in the first century AD via the travels and preaching of the Apostle Andrew.[85] Subsequently, Christianity spread throughout the Caucasus between the 4th century[49] and the 6th century.[50]

A small Muslim presence in Circassia has existed since the Middle Ages, but widespread Islamization occurred after 1717, when Sultan Murad IV ordered the Crimean Khans to spread Islam among the Circassians, with the Ottomans and Crimeans seeing some success in converting members of the aristocracy who would then ultimately spread the religion to their dependents.[86] However, despite the efforts of the Ottomans and their Crimean and Circassian clients, the masses of the Circassian people remained Christian and pagan, until the threat of Russian conquest impel

Meanwhile in the 18th century Bosnia has been majority muslim for hundreds of years already....no memory of nonmuslim ancestors then.

[Loki]

One of the reasons for the decline of Christianity in Asia Minor following the Turkish Muslim conquests was, according to Professor Vryonis, the destruction of the Greek Orthodox Church "as an effective social, economic and religious institution."

This is interesting... and shows the difference between being born again Christians, and being institutional Christians who are more allied to their church, than a personal relationship with Jesus. Draw in comparison the times when Christians were persecuted in the early church... after Jesus' crucifixion, and especially in the Roman Empire during times of heavy persecution by the Roman emperors... the Christian faith actually flourished and increased under persecution. And this is always the case, we also saw that in Communist China.

[Loki]

I've deleted cheap insults from this thread, from guys like Toppo. Toppo, stay away from the thread if you don't like it.

[Hurrem sultana]

We see how healthy and strong nation you have in Bosnia! Half of country being a Serbian Republic ruled directly from Belgrade, and your people living under Croat Supervision and Protectorate in the other half. Go on with that mentality, you would be easy prey again.

Anyway, it is good to be Muslim Bosnian, Muslim Albanian etc. If such place actually exist for you, Best wishes to score paradise hereafter!

As for worldly realities, facts stand. It has been tried and people were tested several times.
Results converge.

Someone having the conscious to be Byzantine is not trustworthy and reliable enough. That's sad but real.
Do not go to Turks and tell them that your grand dad was Alexis or Yorgo.

bosniaks saved the ottoman empire many times,mean while you celebrate an islamic enemy number one (ataturk) as your national father,so what does that say about you ?today you are nothing ,,,just kebabturks in germany

[Heaven]

About circassians:



Meanwhile in the 18th century Bosnia has been majority muslim for hundreds of years already....no memory of nonmuslim ancestors then.

Madam,
I don't have any problem or negative view of your people. Discussion was triggered by your countryman who moans and types as if he stood for a rightful cause. And I just explained to him why a world as he dreams isn't realistic and feasible.
Your countryman refers to himself as Muslim Serb. Not a Bugomilian unrelated with Byzantium.

Circassians aren't historically part of Byzantium and don't have that conscious. When Circassians are fished, it is based on their European like appearance, not through an identiterian process.

Byzantines are a threat to national security in Turkey.

When Erdogan just became Prime Minister in 2005, he said semi publicly "I am Georgian Muslim".
What does it mean?
It means having been Orthodox for 1500 years, keeping the conscious of being Byzantine origins, before converting to Islam 200 years ago for Ottoman money.

Erdoğan ensured Byzantinist support (FETÖ) that way. Later, after 2014 as he was clashing with Fetö he denied being Georgian, even implying it is insult to him.
You see, things aren't easy in life.

People of Byzantium extraction (Armenians, Albanians, Greeks etc) arent trustworthy by Turkish standards, no matter if they are Muslim.

[Bosniensis]

Madam,
I don't have any problem or negative view of your people. Discussion was triggered by your countryman who moans and types as if he stood for a rightful cause. And I just explained to him why a world as he dreams isn't realistic and feasible.
Your countryman refers to himself as Muslim Serb. Not a Bugomilian unrelated with Byzantium.

Circassians aren't historically part of Byzantium and don't have that conscious. When Circassians are fished, it is based on their European like appearance, not through an identiterian process.

Byzantines are a threat to national security in Turkey.

When Erdogan just became Prime Minister in 2005, he said semi publicly "I am Georgian Muslim".
What does it mean?
It means having been Orthodox for 1500 years, keeping the conscious of being Byzantine origins, before converting to Islam 200 years ago for Ottoman money.

Erdoğan ensured Byzantinist support (FETÖ) that way. Later, after 2014 as he was clashing with Fetö he denied being Georgian, even implying it is insult to him.
You see, things aren't easy in life.

People of Byzantium extraction (Armenians, Albanians, Greeks etc) arent trustworthy by Turkish standards, no matter if they are Muslim.

You are of Byzantine Extraction retard.

Your imagination that you are Turko-Mongol is the most ridiculous thing in entire universe.

Whole Asia and Europe is laughing at you, even chinese have started asking "Since when do Turks have round eyes?"

[Heaven]

In two posts, you understood why and how your world view and your Byzantine-Ottoman dreams aren't feasible besides being potentially harmful to the very existence of the state. All you can say now? Pretend that Turks are in a similar situation as you?
Instead of trying to make Turks adapt to your Orthodox shift pathetic Janissary identity, you would better deny to be an Byzantine Orthodox Slavic convert.

The Turks have the top identity, one that is free and independent from being potentially controlled by Byzantines, Arabs, Persians, Armenians etc.

However you Janissaries, your identity and ideology are defect, untrustworthy and doomed to be serving Byzantine interests.

No surprise the ranks of Fetö is full of Byzantium Nostalgists like you.
Turks know very well that the Ottoman concept is used there to impose a multiculturalism hiding a Byzantine revivalist agenda.

[MustafaTekin]

I like bosniaks.

Bosniensis is a clown tho.

[Hurrem sultana]

In two posts, you understood why and how your world view and your Byzantine-Ottoman dreams aren't feasible besides being potentially harmful to the very existence of the state. All you can say now? Pretend that Turks are in a similar situation as you?
Instead of trying to make Turks adapt to your Orthodox shift pathetic Janissary identity, you would better deny to be an Byzantine Orthodox Slavic convert.

The Turks have the top identity, one that is free and independent from being potentially controlled by Byzantines, Arabs, Persians, Armenians etc.

However you Janissaries, your identity and ideology are defect, untrustworthy and doomed to be serving Byzantine interests.

No surprise the ranks of Fetö is full of Byzantium Nostalgists like you.
Turks know very well that the Ottoman concept is used there to impose a multiculturalism hiding a Byzantine revivalist agenda.

Islam is against nationalism? a muslim turk loves more his muslim brother from lets say china than a turk atheist from Turkey

[Hurrem sultana]

Madam,
I don't have any problem or negative view of your people. Discussion was triggered by your countryman who moans and types as if he stood for a rightful cause. And I just explained to him why a world as he dreams isn't realistic and feasible.
Your countryman refers to himself as Muslim Serb. Not a Bugomilian unrelated with Byzantium.

Circassians aren't historically part of Byzantium and don't have that conscious. When Circassians are fished, it is based on their European like appearance, not through an identiterian process.

Byzantines are a threat to national security in Turkey.

When Erdogan just became Prime Minister in 2005, he said semi publicly "I am Georgian Muslim".
What does it mean?
It means having been Orthodox for 1500 years, keeping the conscious of being Byzantine origins, before converting to Islam 200 years ago for Ottoman money.

Erdoğan ensured Byzantinist support (FETÖ) that way. Later, after 2014 as he was clashing with Fetö he denied being Georgian, even implying it is insult to him.
You see, things aren't easy in life.

People of Byzantium extraction (Armenians, Albanians, Greeks etc) arent trustworthy by Turkish standards, no matter if they are Muslim.

I have never met a Bosniak refering to him self as a orthodox convert

its against historical facts,Bosnia was before islam mostly heretical or catholic.the few orthodox we had were vlachs from the hills,,,but they did not come until later,when the ottomans were here