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    Vikings “Saved” Europe – Not Charlemagne

    History teaches that the Norse Vikings were brutal, thieving invaders, but much of that history was written by Viking victims, the European monks who had the monopoly on writing.

    New evidence says otherwise! The image we have today of the marauding Vikings is wildly off the mark, and it ignores the major contributions they made in shaping and “saving” Europe during the Middle Ages.

    The Vikings weren’t picky about their raiding targets, but the short-term gains in booty and ransom achieved by attacking monasteries resulted in the Vikings being relegated to the “vicious barbarian” category of history. The monks in those monasteries were the only historians around at that time.

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/vikin...t-charlemagne/
    POUR UNE HISTOIRE DÉBARRASSÉE DES NOMBREUX MENSONGES
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    Vincent are you on acid lately?

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    Normans made Europe great
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    Saved Europe from what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    Saved Europe from what?
    Normans saved half of Italy from Muslims that were in Sicily, Byzantine Empire was very weak and unable to do anything.

    I would be always grateful for them for having not let the area of my italian ancestors becoming muslim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Normans made Europe great
    Yes, they did. The Normans were a mixture between Vikings and the local Gallo-Romans, and really, they were largely responsible for incorporating large portion of Latin words into the English language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Normans made Europe great
    Yeah, they should have said Normans instead of Vikings even if they are latter day Vikings.

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    Here historical explanation :

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6410339
    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    "Sicily in 1060 was in total disarray. The political structure had been rent by years of civil war following the deposition of the last emir of the Kalbite dynasty in 1053. Moreover, the once powerful Zirid rulers of Tunisia, patrons and protectors of the Sicilian Muslims, were severely weakened by war with Cairo, invasion of new Arab tribes from Yemen, and their own civil war. Central rule in Sicily had broken down; the ruling class had come to be divided between adherents of Tunisia and the families of the original settlers- Berbers versus Arabs- and the island was effectively partitioned between four feuding qaids, or leaders.

    In the prevailing state of confusion, rebellion, and near-anarchy which resulted, the island's native Christian communities, principally in the Val Demone region around Mount Etna in the northeast, looked for ways to gain greater autonomy and an external Christian protector. Not surprisingly, they had followed the advance of the Normans into Calabria with some interest, hoping that this dynamic new Christian power could do more for them than the Byzantines had been able to do since the debacle of the Maniakes expedition.

    According to some accounts, they sent emissaries to Roger at Mileto during the summer of 1060 to seek help. But it was not their initiative, in the end, that decided the Normans on immediate intervention. For that, they had a much more convincing and powerful interlocutor, one of the four qaids himself."

    The Norman Conquest of Southern Italy and Sicily, Gordon S. Brown

    The quote explains that Sicily was an island divided in 4 parts that was recovering from a civil war. These muslims led to this agitation as there were oppositions between Berbers and Arabs.

    Normans reinforced Southern Italy and prevented him to be attacked or settled by further muslim invasions.

    Byzantine Imperium and Longobards played this role for centuries before Normans.

    What they built :

    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    This is what Normans built in Southern Italy :







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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Normans made Europe great
    Sure, after becoming Christian, adopting French culture and abandoning Old Norse for Latin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Sure, after becoming Christian, adopting French culture and abandoning Old Norse for Latin.
    Implying they weren't making themselves familiar with the local customs and language so they could communicate efficiently. Adapting to customs of the local hierarchy, or aristocracy that they quickly found themselves among?
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