Results of a half Venetian and French friend

**~~dududud~~** · 01-16-2020, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Interestingly, on my Venetian side name ends in -er but with clear Latin roots (e.g. Zanier, Fuser, Montagner, Moroder etc.)

Also Carvin does NOT sound Venetian, but Cardin does.

Carvin is from his french side...

Global 25 father:

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin_scaled,0.127482,0.148267,0.032809,-0.003553,0.033237,0.001116,0.002115,-0.003,0.012885,0.025878,0.000974,0.004946,-0.006392,0,-0.003257,-0.008088,-0.01356,0.005321,0.010056,-0.006253,-0.003369,0.006801,0.002465,0.002289,-0.005628

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin,0.0112,0.0146,0.0087,-0.0011,0.0108,0.0004,0.0009,-0.0013,0.0063,0.0142,0.0006,0.0033,-0.0043,0,-0.0024,-0.0061,-0.0104,0.0042,0.008,-0.005,-0.0027,0.0055,0.002,0.0019,-0.0047

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 2.0512% / 0.02051208 | ADC: 1x
58.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
42.0 Italian_Lombardy

**Vid Flumina** · 01-16-2020, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by dududud

Carvin is from his french side...

Global 25 father:

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin_scaled,0.127482,0.148267,0.032809,-0.003553,0.033237,0.001116,0.002115,-0.003,0.012885,0.025878,0.000974,0.004946,-0.006392,0,-0.003257,-0.008088,-0.01356,0.005321,0.010056,-0.006253,-0.003369,0.006801,0.002465,0.002289,-0.005628

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin,0.0112,0.0146,0.0087,-0.0011,0.0108,0.0004,0.0009,-0.0013,0.0063,0.0142,0.0006,0.0033,-0.0043,0,-0.0024,-0.0061,-0.0104,0.0042,0.008,-0.005,-0.0027,0.0055,0.002,0.0019,-0.0047

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 2.0512% / 0.02051208 | ADC: 1x
58.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
42.0 Italian_Lombardy

Interesting results, his East Med seems actually below average for Veneto. Has lots of farmer admixture though, similar to a Lombard in that regard but with more steppe and less Anatolia_BA.

I pruned some of the outliers from G25 North Italian clusters, here's his position on a PCA with few individuals with verified genealogy (including another result from Treviso):

**~~dududud~~** · 01-16-2020, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Interesting results, his East Med seems actually below average for Veneto. Has lots of farmer admixture though, similar to a Lombard in that regard but with more steppe and less Anatolia_BA.

I pruned some of the outliers from G25 North Italian clusters, here's his position on a PCA with few individuals with verified genealogy (including another result from Treviso):

Thanks.

**~~dududud~~** · 01-16-2020, 12:49 PM

0.02252771 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02325795 Italian_Lombardy
0.02417062 Italian_Veneto
0.02475507 Italian_Bergamo
0.02816974 Italian_Liguria
0.02824043 Italian_Northeast
0.02914680 Italian_Piedmont
0.03014642 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03153401 Spanish_Menorca
0.03217629 French_Provence
0.03350702 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03364245 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03442386 Spanish_Baleares
0.03530244 Swiss_Italian
0.03538669 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03625410 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03637648 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03638893 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03668371 Spanish_Girona
0.03766971 Spanish_Penedes
0.03769523 French_Auvergne
0.03778008 Spanish_Lleida
0.03796329 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03817387 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03855253 Italian_Tuscany

**~~dududud~~** · 01-16-2020, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Interesting results, his East Med seems actually below average for Veneto. Has lots of farmer admixture though, similar to a Lombard in that regard but with more steppe and less Anatolia_BA.

I pruned some of the outliers from G25 North Italian clusters, here's his position on a PCA with few individuals with verified genealogy (including another result from Treviso):

Do you means he has less east-med than on K13?

**Vid Flumina** · 01-17-2020, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by dududud

Do you means he has less east-med than on K13?

Sardinians on K13 have almost the same East Med as Tuscans, dunno if that makes sense to you considering how drifted the latter are since pre-Roman times. For actual East Med input I recommend sticking to G25 and proper ancient references

**~~dududud~~** · 01-17-2020, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Sardinians on K13 have almost the same East Med as Tuscans, dunno if that makes sense to you considering how drifted the latter are since pre-Roman times. For actual East Med input I recommend sticking to G25 and proper ancient references

Depending the sardinians: some have 20.00, some have 15.00. It's not very homogeneous.

How do you see the east-med contribution on calculators based on global 25?

**Vid Flumina** · 01-17-2020, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by dududud

How do you see the east-med contribution on calculators based on global 25?

About 10-15% on average for Sardinia (with Nuragic samples I can give you a more accurate estimate) and probably around 1/3 for Tuscany

**~~dududud~~** · 01-17-2020, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

About 10-15% on average for Sardinia (with Nuragic samples I can give you a more accurate estimate) and probably around 1/3 for Tuscany

Thanks.

Here are some correspondents from my friend's father's side, some seem North Italian:

1 North_Atlantic 27.93
2 West_Med 19.98
3 Baltic 17.85
4 East_Med 17.58
5 West_Asian 7.97
6 Red_Sea 4.36
7 Amerindian 3.2
8 Sub-Saharan 0.61
9 East_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 8.6
2 North_Italian 9.24
3 Bulgarian 9.68
4 Serbian 10.34
5 Tuscan 10.57
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.28
7 Portuguese 13.68
8 Spanish_Galicia 14.4
9 Spanish_Extremadura 14.48
10 Italian_Abruzzo 14.59
11 French 14.87
12 West_Sicilian 15.32
13 Spanish_Cataluna 15.57
14 Spanish_Murcia 15.65
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.82
16 Spanish_Valencia 16.19
17 Hungarian 16.32
18 Spanish_Andalucia 16.64
19 Moldavian 16.78
20 Austrian 16.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Bulgarian + 38.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.75
2 59.7% Bulgarian + 40.3% Portuguese @ 3.94
3 63.2% Bulgarian + 36.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.95
4 57.6% Greek_Thessaly + 42.4% French @ 4.01
5 64.6% Romanian + 35.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.01
6 61.1% Bulgarian + 38.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.07
7 63.6% Bulgarian + 36.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.12
8 61.9% Tuscan + 38.1% Hungarian @ 4.12
9 74.7% Tuscan + 25.3% Polish @ 4.13
10 55.9% West_Sicilian + 44.1% East_German @ 4.16
11 71.8% Tuscan + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.17
12 78.5% Tuscan + 21.5% Estonian @ 4.22
13 65.3% Tuscan + 34.7% Croatian @ 4.23
14 70.8% Greek_Thessaly + 29.2% Southwest_English @ 4.25
15 63.1% Greek_Thessaly + 36.9% South_Dutch @ 4.27
16 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.27
17 66% Bulgarian + 34% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.28
18 73.1% Tuscan + 26.9% Ukrainian @ 4.35
19 52.7% West_Sicilian + 47.3% Austrian @ 4.35
20 52.3% Romanian + 47.7% North_Italian @ 4.35

1 North_Atlantic 37.07
2 West_Med 19.35
3 East_Med 19.09
4 Baltic 15.45
5 West_Asian 4.64
6 Red_Sea 2.82
7 Siberian 0.83
8 South_Asian 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.22
10 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 8.36
2 Portuguese 8.49
3 French 9.12
4 Spanish_Cataluna 9.38
5 Spanish_Murcia 9.86
6 Spanish_Galicia 9.91
7 Spanish_Extremadura 10.08
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.12
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.36
10 Spanish_Andalucia 11.95
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.14
12 Tuscan 12.27
13 West_German 13.15
14 Spanish_Cantabria 13.25
15 South_Dutch 13.88
16 Spanish_Aragon 14.46
17 Southwest_French 14.57
18 Serbian 14.87
19 Romanian 14.96
20 Austrian 16.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Southeast_English @ 3.11
2 76.6% French + 23.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.13
3 73.8% French + 26.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.14
4 64.3% Tuscan + 35.7% Orcadian @ 3.47
5 60.1% Southeast_English + 39.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.48
6 61% Southeast_English + 39% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.49
7 77.6% French + 22.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.52
8 64.6% Tuscan + 35.4% Danish @ 3.61
9 65.5% Tuscan + 34.5% West_Scottish @ 3.64
10 79.5% French + 20.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.65
11 77.2% French + 22.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.66
12 64.7% Tuscan + 35.3% North_Dutch @ 3.69
13 58.3% Southwest_English + 41.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.71
14 63.2% Tuscan + 36.8% Southwest_English @ 3.71
15 53.3% Tuscan + 46.7% South_Dutch @ 3.73
16 58.4% French + 41.6% Tuscan @ 3.76
17 67.1% Tuscan + 32.9% Norwegian @ 3.77
18 50.3% West_Sicilian + 49.7% Southeast_English @ 3.78
19 68.9% French + 31.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.84
20 79.8% French + 20.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.85

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.01
2 Serbian 5.25
3 Croatian 6.66
4 Moldavian 6.75
5 Austrian 8.84
6 Romanian 9.34
7 East_German 9.89
8 Bulgarian 11.83
9 South_Polish 12.42
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.76
11 Ukrainian 13.73
12 West_German 15.21
13 Polish 16.16
14 South_Dutch 16.7
15 Southwest_Russian 17.18
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.58
17 French 17.92
18 North_German 18.41
19 Russian_Smolensk 18.58
20 Estonian_Polish 18.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Belorussian + 45.8% Tuscan @ 2.57
2 68.7% South_Polish + 31.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.57
3 65.1% South_Polish + 34.9% Tuscan @ 2.59
4 73.2% Serbian + 26.8% South_Polish @ 2.84
5 83.8% Serbian + 16.2% Estonian @ 2.88
6 51.4% Tuscan + 48.6% Lithuanian @ 2.88
7 81.8% Serbian + 18.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.9
8 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Belorussian @ 2.91
9 51.7% Hungarian + 48.3% Serbian @ 2.92
10 73.9% Hungarian + 26.1% Bulgarian @ 2.95
11 78.6% Serbian + 21.4% Polish @ 2.97
12 74.7% South_Polish + 25.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.98
13 55.2% Russian_Smolensk + 44.8% Tuscan @ 3.02
14 87.8% Hungarian + 12.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.02
15 84.8% Serbian + 15.2% Lithuanian @ 3.05
16 67.8% South_Polish + 32.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.06
17 81.5% Serbian + 18.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.06
18 54.6% Estonian_Polish + 45.4% Tuscan @ 3.1
19 83.3% Hungarian + 16.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.1
20 84.2% Serbian + 15.8% Finnish @ 3.12

1 North_Atlantic 32.92
2 West_Med 20.65
3 Baltic 16.25
4 East_Med 14.76
5 West_Asian 9.23
6 Red_Sea 3.56
7 Amerindian 1.68
8 South_Asian 0.92
9 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.9
2 Portuguese 10.08
3 French 10.17
4 Spanish_Galicia 10.71
5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.91
6 Spanish_Cataluna 11.28
7 Romanian 11.57
8 Tuscan 11.79
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.94
10 Spanish_Murcia 12.02
11 Serbian 12.13
12 Spanish_Valencia 12.52
13 Spanish_Andalucia 12.97
14 West_German 13.35
15 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.36
16 Bulgarian 13.38
17 Spanish_Cantabria 14.11
18 South_Dutch 14.32
19 Southwest_French 15.13
20 Austrian 15.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.4% French + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.57
2 67.2% French + 32.8% Central_Greek @ 2.77
3 68.3% French + 31.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.22
4 51.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 48.4% Romanian @ 3.23
5 62% South_Dutch + 38% South_Italian @ 3.32
6 53.9% Romanian + 46.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.36
7 51.4% Central_Greek + 48.6% Southwest_English @ 3.38
8 58.9% South_Dutch + 41.1% Central_Greek @ 3.46
9 51.1% Romanian + 48.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.49
10 59.8% South_Dutch + 40.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.5
11 59% Romanian + 41% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.51
12 55.7% South_Dutch + 44.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.54
13 53.4% Tuscan + 46.6% West_German @ 3.56
14 50.4% East_Sicilian + 49.6% Southwest_English @ 3.58
15 63.2% French + 36.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.59
16 68.6% Tuscan + 31.4% Swedish @ 3.6
17 50.9% Romanian + 49.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.6
18 64.5% Tuscan + 35.5% North_German @ 3.6
19 79.2% French + 20.8% Cyprian @ 3.62
20 70.5% French + 29.5% South_Italian @ 3.62

**Aren** · 08-10-2020, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by dududud

Carvin is from his french side...

Global 25 father:

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin_scaled,0.127482,0.148267,0.032809,-0.003553,0.033237,0.001116,0.002115,-0.003,0.012885,0.025878,0.000974,0.004946,-0.006392,0,-0.003257,-0.008088,-0.01356,0.005321,0.010056,-0.006253,-0.003369,0.006801,0.002465,0.002289,-0.005628

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin,0.0112,0.0146,0.0087,-0.0011,0.0108,0.0004,0.0009,-0.0013,0.0063,0.0142,0.0006,0.0033,-0.0043,0,-0.0024,-0.0061,-0.0104,0.0042,0.008,-0.005,-0.0027,0.0055,0.002,0.0019,-0.0047

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 2.0512% / 0.02051208 | ADC: 1x
58.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
42.0 Italian_Lombardy

I've been trying to find North Italians who have PCA 25 coordinates.

His results look normal

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 1.6844% / 0.01684446

63.6 ITA_Etruscan
14.2 Germanic_MA
13.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial
9.0 Slav_MA