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    Default Why/how were Early Neolithic Farmers cucked by WHG?

    Considering that most late Neolithic Farmers in Northern/Western Europe were paternally WHG, despite being autosomally no more than 1/4 WHG.



    Any theories?

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    They were Chads

    Remains from Iron Gates reveal the male hunter-gatherers, on average, were more muscular and about a head taller than the male farmers
    An interesting off-topic tidbit btw

    According to a paper published in 2016 in the journal PNAS, Iron Gates hunter-gatherers were eating domesticated wheat and barley as early as 8,600 years ago, more than 400 years before the Anatolian farmers arrived. Researchers discovered starch granules in the tooth plaque of some of the foragers.
    https://www.discovermagazine.com/the...gers-first-met
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    Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle is healthier so there's more meat, also less cramped quarters of farmers living in small villages/towns = less disease and childhood stunting. So yeah they were more physically imposing because of lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Chief View Post
    Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle is healthier so there's more meat, also less cramped quarters of farmers living in small villages/towns = less disease and childhood stunting. So yeah they were more physically imposing because of lifestyle.
    It's still unusual though. EEF men must have allowed them to come into their settlements and dominate sexually.

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    My theory is that women were more dominant in early EEF society.

    Another way to put it, Farmer Wives stole HG men. Farmer women were prettier.

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    Where is the proof for this Creoda? Other than the island of Sardinia where mesolithic i2 was dominant, my haplogroup G2a dominated neolithic europe.

    If it really was the case, then I think Neolithic women thought their culture was stupid and idiotic. Check out what LBK farmers did to other LBK villages, they massacred thousands (when population of entire Europe was barely 100,000) and even cannibalized their flesh, including their brains. No one knows why but they think it was part of their religion. If I was a LBK woman I'd GTFO!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxhe...ological_site)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildofMud View Post
    My theory is that women were more dominant in early EEF society.

    Another way to put it, Farmer Wives stole HG men. Farmer women were prettier.
    Sexual selection
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Chief View Post
    Where is the proof for this Creoda?
    Globular Amphora remains, Iron Gates remains etc Paternally they were I, specifically I2
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    The fast expansion of the LBK culture did not leave much time for Near Eastern farmers to intermingle with Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers - a fact now confirmed by the analysis of several LBK genomes that show only about 5 to 10% of indigenous European admixture. However, Mesolithic Europeans continued to live side by side with LBK farmers and progressively interbred with them during the later Rssen (4600-4300 BCE) and Schningen (4200-3950 BCE) periods. The only exception is northern France, where the LBK-derived RRBP (French acronym standing for Recent Linear Pottery of the Parisian Basin) immediately shows high levels of indigenous European admixture.
    https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/lin..._culture.shtml

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    By the way, you should know that Neolithic farmers (EEF) is actually a conglomerate of WHG and Natufian. So they had WHG in them from the very beginning in Anatolia.

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