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    Quote Originally Posted by War Chief View Post
    By the way, you should know that Neolithic farmers (EEF) is actually a conglomerate of WHG and Natufian. So they had WHG in them from the very beginning in Anatolia.
    No they didn't have it from the very beginning in Anatolia. The Early European Farmers (EEF) were in fact a mixture of mainly Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF), in general around 75% to 85% up to the Late Neolithic, with the Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), so I think it’d better for us to talk of the ANF, not EEF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Globular Amphora remains, Iron Gates remains etc Paternally they were I, specifically I2
    British Farmers are all I2 as well, and Scandinavian Farmers I1 I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    No they didn't have it from the very beginning in Anatolia. The Early European Farmers (EEF) were in fact a mixture of mainly Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF), in general around 75% to 85% up to the Late Neolithic, with the Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), so I think it’d better for us to talk of the ANF, not EEF.
    EEF is 40% Basal Eurasian (Natufian) and 60% West Eurasian, derived from the same thing WHG came from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    British Farmers are all I2 as well, and Scandinavian Farmers I1 I guess.
    Yes. The British farmers were tested and found to be I, I2a2a or I2a1. The Megalithic paper also tells of I2 dominance in the Isles pre-Beaker.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-019-0871-9

    Also, the I2a2 and I1 are ultimately of GAC and TRB(Funnelbeaker) Neolithic origins
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    Farming is a lifestyle though. How many ex-WHG's ditched hunting and picked up agriculture? Almost all of them

    I'm getting a lot of my information from this video by the way:


    ^ 2:02 for mention about who EEF are in relation to WHG

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Chief View Post
    Farming is a lifestyle though. How many ex-WHG's ditched hunting and picked up agriculture? Almost all of them

    I'm getting a lot of my information from this video by the way:


    ^ 2:02 for mention about who EEF are in relation to WHG
    A fellow G. Welcome brother. Farming is always underrated and it was an important part of European history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Chief View Post
    EEF is 40% Basal Eurasian (Natufian) and 60% West Eurasian, derived from the same thing WHG came from.

    Natufians themselves were derived mostly from a dzudzuana/AHG/ANF like group that subsisted in the Levant before an admixture event with IBM mashubians led to their ethnogenesis 12kya, AHG/ANF on the other hand were mostly WHG like plus some natufian like group they mixed with in the Caucasus at some point during the UP, but introgression from actual natufians into Neolithic Anatolia remained relatively low.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    British Farmers are all I2 as well, and Scandinavian Farmers I1 I guess.
    Have there been any funnelbeaker samples found belonging to I1 yet? From what I’ve seen its expansion happened during the BA not the Neolithic. TRB/GAC all seem to belong to haplogroup I2 same as Atlantic EEF.

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    Not in Sardinia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator Biff View Post
    Have there been any funnelbeaker samples found belonging to I1 yet? From what I’ve seen its expansion happened during the BA not the Neolithic. TRB/GAC all seem to belong to haplogroup I2 same as Atlantic EEF.
    I stand corrected then. I1 coming from the East later on makes sense.

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