The stupidity of the "Mediterranean" label for phenotypes.

[Samnium]

I wouldn't say such thing for south italians and greeks who are quite close to levantines.

Thank you but taking extreme fringes doesn't invalidate what I've said.

There is a lot of variation between the groups :

I have said that there isn't variation ? Europeans are all a mix of the three populations mentioned, with varying degree.

If they were really the same people/race why a south italian is closer to a lebanese than to a scandinavian ?

Southern Italians are a special case, it wouldn't be the case for most Europeans.

These similarities you're talking about appeared recently and are due to a cultural homogenisation before that a spaniard and his culture was totally alien to a russian or belgian.

I'm not talking about culture but genetics, you said the word "race" as synonym of "ethnical" I replied with facts.

[Samnium]

South Italians and Aegean Greeks are outliers in Europe. Everywhere else Europeans are closer to each other than to Lebanese. Spaniards are closer to freaking Lithuanians than to Lebanese.

Exactly.

Also I want to pinpoint that Lebanese are themselves "40% European" so even that makes more relative the "closeness" to Non-Euros.

In my opinion it would be more useful to see the distance to Saudis/Jordanians/Iraqis. There are some very outlying people in Southern Italy that would be closer to Saudis than to Spaniards.

[Nassbean]

Thank you but taking extreme fringes doesn't invalidate what I've said.




I have said that there isn't variation ? Europeans are all a mix of the three populations mentioned, with varying degree.




Southern Italians are a special case, it wouldn't be the case for most Europeans.



I'm not talking about culture but genetics, you said the word "race" as synonym of "ethnical" I replied with facts.

lol sure now italians and greeks are extreme fringes...I think you forget from where the word "europe" is from and where lies the cultural roots of the modern western civilization. Italians and greeks are in europe and are considered europeans so it does not support your "european race" myth. Period.

[Anaximander]

Thank you but taking extreme fringes doesn't invalidate what I've said.




I have said that there isn't variation ? Europeans are all a mix of the three populations mentioned, with varying degree.




Southern Italians are a special case, it wouldn't be the case for most Europeans.



I'm not talking about culture but genetics, you said the word "race" as synonym of "ethnical" I replied with facts.

Of course all european ethnic etnic groups are geneticaly and Phenotypicaly closer between themselvs that any non European. My enstacy is with the numbers the guys present over Here Even this map of Frost is wrong.

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[Nassbean]

South Italians and Aegean Greeks are outliers in Europe. Everywhere else Europeans are closer to each other than to Lebanese. Spaniards are closer to freaking Lithuanians than to Lebanese.

They still represent millions of people and are considered europeans ...so just with them the european race thing doesn't work. Let alone the extreme phenotypical diversity in europe but that doesn't really matter

[Samnium]

They still represent millions of people and are considered europeans ...so just with them the european race thing doesn't work. Let alone the extreme phenotypical diversity in europe but that doesn't really matter

"so just with them the european race thing doesn't work."

What you don't understand about the fact that there's an european genetical cluster ?

[Samnium]

lol sure now italians and greeks are extreme fringes...I think you forget from where the word "europe" is from and where lies the cultural roots of the modern western civilization. Italians and greeks are in europe and are considered europeans so it does not support your "european race" myth. Period.

I don't disagree, Southern Italy has been one of the core of occidental civilization. I like to talk about Magna Graecia, and the mighty cities of Kroton, Rheggion....

I just say that they are "extreme fringes" for genetics, that's all. And you know that I'm half southern italian so I don't have any bias against them or whatever, I've always been the first to defend them here.

[Nassbean]

"so just with them the european race thing doesn't work."

What you don't understand about the face that there's an european genetical cluster ?

there isn't because again a good part of south euro are closer to levantines you shouldn't call it "european" cluster so find another more accurate word

[Nassbean]

I don't disagree, Southern Italy has been one of the core of occidental civilization. I like to talk about Magna Graecia, and the mighty cities of Kroton, Rheggion....

I just say that they are "extreme fringes" for genetics, that's all. And you know that I'm half southern italian so I don't have any bias against them or whatever, I've always been the first to defend them here.

it's simple : extreme fringes or not if some europeans are closer to non-euro populations than other europeans then this european race thing doesn't exist you have to find a more appropriate term

[Zroota]

yes, as it seems Portugal has a higher percentage than most of Spain, and parts of Africa and middle east than some parts of Europe..

Dude, science is science, and since study found this fact, this is the fact, and I can't understand why you think that light eyes percentage is something so important, the last person who systematically thought of this was Adolf, he ended up with a bullet in his brain.. from his own gun

To be fair to Cristiano, these European eye colour maps are actually very inconsistent and may usually be inaccurate. I've seen maps with Italy being the 'bluest eyed' in Southern Europe, and now in this map Italy has the least blue eyed people in Southern Europe. Just to show that these maps are not factual and would probably have some bias and inaccuracies.