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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post

    Learn the diffrence of pale white,from light brown skin...... It may change your life
    Great post, says a lot about your Middle Eastern brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post
    The Spanish and the Greeks have about the same percentage of light eyes(blue,gray,green) at about 13,5% according to a study of mine. The Portuguese have a 10% light eyes, but in terms of skin colour we are much lighter than Iberians, with 50% of Greeks having pale skin like central and northern Europeans, and a 50% being brunette/light brown/olive tones. The Iberians are much darker. Charleton coon notes that only 1/6 Andalusian males have pale skin like northern and Central Europeans. North italians have a 1/4-1/3 pale among males in early adulthood, and less than 50% in both genders. This is what ''Races of Europe'' say. This also corresponds with my studies.
    i had know a few greeks and i was friend at young school with a demitrios,he was very pale,people have cliché of the greeks like the hairy Demis roussos or Nana Mouskouri,for the most popular ,at least because than they have made a carrier in france, but Vangelis is pretty pale white,even Iréne Papas with an albanian father is mostly pale


    an american with a greek father zach(arius) galifianakis is even chesnut/auburn/redhead,funny he looks like more anglo than greek(the hangover 3,the best of the trilogy)


    i think than even in the ancient greece they were blonde or light chesnut
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    We also have Words of germanic origin in Spanish, some of them comming from old gothic (Scandinavian), which means very little in any case:

    Ejemplos
    De procedencia antigua
    blanco (del germánico blank; es cognado del inglés blank.
    bosque (del germánico busk; es cognado del inglés bush, ‘arbusto’).
    bregar (del gótico brikan).
    brindis (del alemán bring dir, ‘yo te lo ofrezco’).
    escanciar (del gótico skankjan).
    espía (del gótico spaíha).
    espuela (del ant. espuera, y este del gótico *spaúra); es cognado del nórdico spori del ingles 'spur' y del alemán antiguo sporo).
    falda (de faldan, plegar)
    fresco (del germánico frisk).
    grupa. Del germánico kruppa 'objeto redondo y compacto' (antiguo noruego kryppa 'giba').
    guante (del franco want).
    guarecer.
    guerra (del germánico *werra, pelea, discordia; del alemán antiguo wërra; del neerlandés medio warre).
    rico (del gótico reiks).
    rueca (del germánico rokko).
    yelmo (del germánico *hĕlm; es cognado del alto alemán antiguo hëlm y del inglés antiguo hëlm).
    De procedencia moderna
    blocao (del alemán Blockhaus, fortín de madera transportable).
    chucrut (del alemán Sauerkraut, literalmente ‘col agria’).
    cobalto (del alemán Kobalt).
    cuarzo (del alemán Quarz).
    delicatessen (del alemán Delikatessen, literalmente ‘comida delicada’).
    feldespato (del alemán Feldspat).
    hámster (de alemán Hamster).
    kindergarten (de Kindergarten, literalmente ‘jardín para niños’).
    leitmotiv (de Leit-Motiv, literalmente ‘motivo [musical] que dirige’).
    LSD (de Lysergsäurediethylamid: ‘ditelamida de ácido lisérgico’).
    níquel (de Nickel).
    obús (de Haubitze).
    zepelín (llamado así por el creador de los dirigibles rígidos: Ferdinand Graf von Zeppelin).
    búnker, (del alemán Bunker, "casamata")


    Son lenguas germánicas, entre otras:
    -Alemán -Danés -Franco -Germánico -Gótico -Islandés -Longobardo -Neerlandés -Noruego -Sueco.

    A-abandonar, abolengo, adrede, agasajar, álamo, alberca, albergue, alce, aliso, amagar, amainar, arenga, arenque, arpa, aspa, ataviar.
    B-balón, banda, bando, bandera, barón, bergante, bigote, bismuto, blandir, blindar, bodrio, bordar, botar, bote, botín, braco, bramar, bregar, brete, brida, brindis, brotar, brote, broza, bunker, buñuelo, burgo, burgomaestre.
    C-camarlengo, campeón, carpa, casta, chambergo, chotis, cobalto, cofia, corchea, cuarzo,
    D-dardo, delicatessen, desmán.
    E-elfo, embajada, enzima, escanciar, escarnio, escatimar, esgrimir, eslabón, esmalte, espárrago, espía, espuela, esquí, esquila, estaca, estadística, estribo, esturión.
    F-falda, fango, feldespato, fieltro, flecha, franco, frasco, fresco.
    G-galardón, ganar, ganso, garañón, gavilán, gerifalte, gestalt, gótico, grapa, grima, guadaña, guante, guardar, guardia, guarecer, guarnecer, guerra, guiar, guisar.
    H-hamster, hato, heraldo.
    J-jabón, jaca.
    L-lager, lasca, leitmotiv, lozano.
    M-maestro, marca, marsopa, marta, moho, muesli.
    N-narval, níquel.
    O-obús, orgullo.
    P-parra, pistola, podenco, poltergeist.
    R-rapar, realengo, reno, rico, riqueza, robar, ropa, rorcual, rueca.
    S-sable, sala, sayón, sien, sopa, sur.
    T-talar, tapa, tejón, toalla, toldo, tregua, trincar, triscar, trucar, tungsteno.
    U-ufano, uro.
    V-vals, vatio, venda, vermut.
    W-wolframio.
    Y-yelmo.
    Z-zeitgeist, zepelín, zinc, zugzwang.

    *En la morfología del español sólo queda un sufijo germánico: –engo, como en abolengo.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolfrenchguy View Post
    candinavia,true a part of the french are a very far remote branch of the scandinavians,indeed the proto-french langage is from the frankish language , even he was extremely modernised and latinised while these last 1000 years, is a germanic language near of the southern old dutch frankish ,as an extinct language,we use around 400 words of frankish origin some are near of ,or common to the nederlandse,deutsch and english :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post
    The Spanish and the Greeks have about the same percentage of light eyes(blue,gray,green) at about 13,5% according to a study of mine. The Portuguese have a 10% light eyes, but in terms of skin colour we are much lighter than Iberians, with 50% of Greeks having pale skin like central and northern Europeans, and a 50% being brunette/light brown/olive tones. The Iberians are much darker. Charleton coon notes that only 1/6 Andalusian males have pale skin like northern and Central Europeans. North italians have a 1/4-1/3 pale among males in early adulthood, and less than 50% in both genders. This is what ''Races of Europe'' say. This also corresponds with my studies.
    What I'm reading on here? A Greek calling Spaniards darkies, and claiming that Greeks are lighter than Spaniards?

    Excuse me...



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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    What I'm reading on here? A Greek calling Spaniards darkies, and claiming that Greeks are lighter than Spaniards?

    Excuse me...



    I didnt say u are darkies, i said we both have a 13,5% of blue,gray and green eyes, and that Andalusians and Portuguese are the darkest Europeans. The Portuguese have a 10% light eyes, and a 10% pale white skin among males, which are the lowest percentages in all of Europe. Greeks have a 34% pale white skin. U can find these info here in this Forum,at Charleton Coon's book, ''the races of Europe''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post
    I didnt say u are darkies, i said we both have a 13,5% of blue,gray and green eyes, and that Andalusians and Portuguese are the darkest Europeans. The Portuguese have a 10% light eyes, and a 10% pale white skin among males, which are the lowest percentages in all of Europe. Greeks have a 34% pale white skin. U can find these info here in this Forum,at Charleton Coon's book, ''the races of Europe''
    You are fully retard claiming only 10% of Portuguese have pale white skin pale white skin aka European average skin is pretty common in every South Euro country (Greece included, even if you Middle Eastern brain think it is 34%).

    Andalusians are not different than the rest of Spaniards (and not, I am not Andalusian and even I dislike them a bit).

    Carleton Coon never was in many Euro countries to take him seriously. And even if he would have been, well, you should trust more of your own eyes than the these of him. Coon belonged to that kind of Nordicist anthropologists that used their classifications to extol the Nordic race, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    You are fully retard claiming only 10% of Portuguese have pale white skin pale white skin aka European average skin is pretty common in every South Euro country (Greece included, even if you Middle Eastern brain think it is 34%).

    Andalusians are not different than the rest of Spaniards (and not, I am not Andalusian and even I dislike them a bit).

    Carleton Coon never was in many Euro countries to take him seriously. And even if he would have been, well, you should trust more of your own eyes than the these of him. Coon belonged to that kind of Nordicist anthropologists that used their classifications to extol the Nordic race, and nothing else.
    Carleton Coon's information about Iberian racial structure is based on Spanish and Portuguese sources:

    107 Oloriz y Aguilera, F., La Talla Humana en España.

    108 Oloriz y Aguilera, F., BRSG, vol. 36, 1894, pp. 389-422.
    Barras de Aragon, F. de las, MSAE, vol. 2, 1923, pp. 1-68.

    109 Barras de Aragon, F. de las, MSAE, vol. 4, 1925, pp. 83-100.


    111 Hoyos Sainz, L., and Aranzadi, T. de, AFA, vol. 22, 1893-94, pp. 425-433.

    112 Uria y Riu,J., MSAE, vol. 3, 1924, pp. 139-144.

    113 Sanchez Fernandez, L., El Hombre Español. Résumé in MAGW, vol. 44, 1914, p. 330. This work covers a series of 119,571 20 year old male Spaniards.

    116 Barras de Aragon, F. de las, published in Williams, G. D., Maya Spanish Crosses in Yucatan.

    121 Some of the principal works on the physical anthropology of Portugal are:
    Barros e Cunha, J. G. de, CEAP, vol. 2, Fact 6, 1931.
    Cardosa, F., Portugalia, vol. 1, 1899-1903, pp. 23-56; vol. 2, 1905-08, pp. 179- 186, 517-539.
    Dos Santos, J. R. Jr., TSPA, vol. 2, Facs. 2, 1924, pp. 84-1 86.
    Mendes Correa, A., AAPP, vol. 10, 1915; ALJPA, vol. 2,1919, pp. 117-145.
    Tamagnini, E., CEAP, vol. 1, Fact 3,1936; vol. 2, Facs. 7, 1932; vol. 2, Fact 10, 1933.
    Themido, A. A., CEAP, vol. 2, Fact 5, 1931; vol. 2, Fact 9, 1933.
    Sant'Anna Marques, S. de, Portugalia, vol. 1, 1899-1903, pp. 427-428.

    122 Tamagnini, E., CEAP, vol. 1, Faa. 3, 1936.

    123 Barros e Cunha, J. 0. de, CEAP, vol. 2, Fact 6, 1931.

    124 Themido, A. A., CEAP, vol. 2, Faa. 5, 1931.

    125 Dos Santos, TSPA, 1924.

    126 Cardosa, F., Portugalia, vol. 2, 1905-08, pp. 517-539.

    Do you consider these Iberian anthropologists as enemies and traitors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajimurad View Post
    Carleton Coon's information about Iberian racial structure is based on Spanish and Portuguese sources:

    Do you consider these Iberian anthropologists as enemies and traitors?
    Tamagnini must be an Iberian from all the life

    Olóriz Aguilera was an investigator who died in... 1912 do you think his work about the Spanish height should be taken in consideration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post
    I didnt say u are darkies, i said we both have a 13,5% of blue,gray and green eyes, and that Andalusians and Portuguese are the darkest Europeans. The Portuguese have a 10% light eyes, and a 10% pale white skin among males, which are the lowest percentages in all of Europe. Greeks have a 34% pale white skin. U can find these info here in this Forum,at Charleton Coon's book, ''the races of Europe''
    Corrections!!!
    No, 14.6% of Greeks have blue or green or gray eyes while 23% of the Portuguese have light eyes. Yes, they are all predominantly dark by European standards, but are not identical. The Portuguese are overall slightly paler than the Italians ( GWAS study 2012). Due to that, I would not think that the Greeks are lighter than them. Nevertheless they are as a whole Meds.
    Even Coon whom you referred to, shows Greeks to be in fact darker- eyed than the Portuguese. However Coon sees the Greeks as lighter-skinned than Iberians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Corrections!!!
    No, 14.6% of Greeks have blue or green or gray eyes while 23% of the Portuguese have light eyes. Yes, they are all predominantly dark by European standards, but are not identical. The Portuguese are overall slightly paler than the Italians ( GWAS study 2012). Due to that, I would not think that the Greeks are lighter than them. Nevertheless they are as a whole Meds.
    Even Coon whom you referred to, shows Greeks to be in fact darker- eyed than the Portuguese. However Coon sees the Greeks as lighter-skinned than Iberians.
    Why people keep relying in some "studies" of people that have never been here, or that they have just taken 200 persons in 2 cities to do some studies to represent the people of a country? Why don´t people believe the natives of the countries instead?

    And for me, not having known many greeks and having seen many portuguese, I can say that the amount of darker portuguese is way higher than in Spain. I don´t know the reason but it has been my experience. They also have less germanic/nordic looking types than us. Maybe it is real that they brought black slaves to mainland Portugal and this affected a relatively medium-high % of them.

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