The stupidity of the "Mediterranean" label for phenotypes.

[Gota_type_]

I do not consider North Africa / Middle East as examples of real Mediterranean people because most of their people are mixed with other ethnicities, but South Europeans are not mixed with other etnic, they have real med phenotypes.

LOL. It is precissely southern Europeans the ones that have the biggest variability in the world. You can find Scandinavian looking types (like me for example), german looking, russian looking, Uk looking, and southern European lookng in any single city in Southern Europe (at least in Spain). Maybe you don´t know our History (y esto viniendo de un argentino es bastante ridículo pues sois básicamente una mezcla de Italia más España) but there were many different ethnicities comming here (even "germanic" people ruled Spain for 300 years). North-Africans look brown as a whole, very little differences. And northern Europeans have less variability than southern Europeans: most of them looking germanic with a small "Med" variety.

[The Great Uniter]

There is no nation or country which is pure Med
Southern Europeans are in significant amounts Meds by phenotype.

Med has many subbranches such as Atlanto Med,Pontid,Gracile Med,Coarse Med,South Med(which is more common in North Africa and Middle)
East)

Southern Europeans are not a mix of other Europeans but predominantly decended from natives of their region.
Because of the climate and other conditions,Southern Europe has continiously been populated.

Greek islanders are pure Mediterranean.

[Lucas]

What constitutes as pure med type? Coon and others said that the med type came from the middle east and Saudis are the purest meds.



It seems that many state this case but reject Coon's work. Which is rich as the entire basis of classification comes from his work and others like him and similiar opinion. At least he had mathematical evidence to support his claims.

No, most phenoTYPES used for modern classification were created by Eickstedt, Biasutti and Lundman.
Coon part was Borreby / Brunn stuff.
He didn't invent Baltids, Phaelids, Paleo-Sardinian, Berberids, Saharids, Turanids, Atlantids etc... Not to mention Nordics, Dinarics, Alpinids or Armenoids which were from Ripley /Deniker.
Coon ridiculous Neo-Danubian name was simply Osteuropean / Baltid. Tronder was taken from Scandinavian anthropologists.

And what for Coon was proper Med from Yemen, was Orientalid / Arabid for those guys above.
Who the hell in terms of modern genetics can think that Yemenis with their large African autosomal share could be a prototype for early Meds? But for Eickstedt they were Orientalids mainly which was distinct MENA racial type.

[Morena]

LOL. It is precissely southern Europeans the ones that have the biggest variability in the world. You can find Scandinavian looking types (like me for example), german looking, russian looking, Uk looking, and southern European lookng in any single city in Southern Europe (at least in Spain). Maybe you don´t know our History (y esto viniendo de un argentino es bastante ridículo pues sois básicamente una mezcla de Italia más España) but there were many different ethnicities comming here (even "germanic" people ruled Spain for 300 years). North-Africans look brown as a whole, very little differences. And northern Europeans have less variability than southern Europeans: most of them looking germanic with a small "Med" variety.

Have you posted on the member's pic thread?

[thenewestmember]

Greek islanders are pure Mediterranean.

no they are part slav

[Joso]

the Spanish guy in the OP just wrongly sets the origin/standard to Iberia/Spain/Italy. actually the Levantines should be the basis of the Mediterranean, because they are, historically (Neolithic invasion, Roman empire), genetically (Neolithic invasion), and then we can talk about Spaniards and Italians as part Levantine part WHG and about North Africans as part Levantine part Berber (WHG-like, ancestral), some even part SSA. but the basis should be Levantine as a synonim for Mediterranean origin, since they colonized all the shores and they left the most important marks, genetically and culturally. also because of mostly similar weather, the regions (southern Europe, northern Africa, Levant) also share cuisine, work hour patterns etc.

Dinarics/Taurids are brachycephalized Mediterraneans as well. Alpines on the other hand, although are brunet, are gracilized (UpperPaleolithic) CroMags. a whole lot of the Meds in Italy show mixed features, having Alpine influence, for example. just as some Spaniards have CroMag influence.

Dinarids and armenoids cannot be just brachycephalised mediterraneans, they are just too different from meds, specially armenoids.

[Aileron]

Even though i dont have Med Phenotype, its not just restricted to Europea but around Med basin....

[Ruggery]

What constitutes as pure med type? Coon and others said that the med type came from the middle east and Saudis are the purest meds.

Why are we by default saying that Southern Euros are pure meds when an argument can be made that they are a mix between other European ethnicities.

I am just curious what is the basis for this argument.

It seems that many state this case but reject Coon's work. Which is rich as the entire basis of classification comes from his work and others like him and similiar opinion. At least he had mathematical evidence to support his claims.

I know that the euros of the south are also mixed with other European ethnicities, but I mean that even there are pure Mediterranean phenotypes found more in South Europe that the north of Africa and the Middle East.
The Saudis are not pure Mediterranean and the Iranians have a mix of Asia.
Coon's exam is good but he even made some mistakes, have you seen his map?

[Ruggery]

I said that there are millions of southern Europeans (lighter types) that are lighter than millions (darker types) of central or northern Europeans, and it is a fact, yet lighter southern Europeans are labeled with the "med" stupidity just because they live in Southern Europe. Just take Xabi Alonso or David de Gea types multiply by 20 and then take Russell Brand types and multiply by 20. The first group would look like aryans and the 2º group like "meds". Just to show the stupidity that pretend to make "as far south you go in Europe people get darker" False. There is no common phenotype in southern Europe and there is no continuity of "being darker as south you go". Those that have not being here will probably have the idea that they come to a place where there are "dark people" when millions are lighter than millions in northern of central Europe. I am stating facts, I don´t care about being lither is better or worst. I don´t like that fake ideas are sold.

Listen, I am not saying that David de Gea and Xabi Alonso are med because that is not true, and the people who say that are ignorant because they do not know anything about anthropology. Brand is a minority in the United Kingdom, Germany, Scandinavia, Austria etc.
People of the hallstatt Nordid phenotype like you are minorities in southern Europe.
It is very common to see people like Oliver Kahn or Paul Bettany among the Spaniards or Portuguese? maybe they look but as a minority.

[Ruggery]

LOL. It is precissely southern Europeans the ones that have the biggest variability in the world. You can find Scandinavian looking types (like me for example), german looking, russian looking, Uk looking, and southern European lookng in any single city in Southern Europe (at least in Spain). Maybe you don´t know our History (y esto viniendo de un argentino es bastante ridículo pues sois básicamente una mezcla de Italia más España) but there were many different ethnicities comming here (even "germanic" people ruled Spain for 300 years). North-Africans look brown as a whole, very little differences. And northern Europeans have less variability than southern Europeans: most of them looking germanic with a small "Med" variety.

Yo se que el Sur de Europa es el área mas diversa de Europa, y si también se mucho de Italia y España.
Por cierto los españoles están compuesto mayoritariamente de Celtas + Iberos Pre-romanos luego tiene una minoría de Germánicos antiguos(visigodos,vándalos,suevos) Germánicos modernos(minoría de alemanes y centro europeos)también tiene un pequeño componente del África pero mucho mas antiguo que los moros.