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    Quote Originally Posted by British and Proud View Post
    The Ulster-Scots Agency, or Tha Boord o Ulstèr-Scotch
    "Tha Boord o Ulstèr-Scotch"
    Sounds like street Nigger talk 'Da Hood!', typical example of a the damage to a language an immigrant does.
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    The Fiddle
    Did you know that the fiddle was first introduced into Ireland from Scotland through its use by the Ulster-Scots?
    What a load grade a Shit the fiddle came into Scotland from Ireland from the Donegal fiddle tradition. The fiddle has been part of Donegal hundreds of years before British squatters arrived in either Celtic Ireland and Scotland.

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    Any bowed string musical instrument may be informally called a fiddle, regardless of the kind of music being played with it. Violins or other members of the violin family are often affectionately referred to by their players as "my fiddle".

    The bowed string instrument first appeared in India circa 3000 BCE,
    An excavation below a house in Christchurch Road in Dublin during the 18thC uncovered what is said to be the oldest actual bow known in Europe, dating from the 11thC, along with a medieval fiddle. The bow is of dogwood, and has an animal-head carving at the tip.
    By 1674 the fiddle was well established; Richard Head wrote that in Ireland "in every field a fiddle, and the lasses footing it till they were all of a foam " Initially this would have been the medieval fiddle, but eventually the standard violin was introduced, probably via the Ulster Scots.
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    So the modern fiddle probably comes from the scots but the Irish already had their own version before hand. The Scots fiddle seems to have been related to the norse and Icelandic versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist View Post
    I'm also a firm believer in the idea that superior peoples have the right to conquer and subjugate lower groups. What better way to put that into action than placing Reformed Anglo-Scots in a leadership roll over an island of classless, violent alcoholics?
    You had better find a superior people to conquer Eire as the current crop are nigger like mimics who are attempting to steal the Irish identity as their own. Shit any fool who has seen an Orange parade knows we are dealing with North Europes version of the Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley View Post
    You had better find a superior people to conquer Eire as the current crop are nigger like mimics who are attempting to steal the Irish identity as their own. Shit any fool who has seen an Orange parade knows we are dealing with North Europes version of the Albanians.
    Come on, Foley. Don't be too harsh alright. Guess what's keeping Ireland running ? The good old British-influenced judicial system and the British-influenced political system. The best thing the ancient Irish came up with were a bunch of Kings and clans hellbent on slaughtering each other- when there were no English around.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrymheim View Post
    So the modern fiddle probably comes from the scots but the Irish already had their own version before hand.
    Scots and the Irish are Gaels the 'Ulster Scots', is a incorrect term as they are a Germanic people Anglo Saxon in origin. The fiddle has always been a part of Irish music no squatter had anything to do with either the Irish or Scottish fiddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley View Post
    Scots and the Irish are Gaels the 'Ulster Scots', is a incorrect term as they are a Germanic people Anglo Saxon in origin. The fiddle has always been a part of Irish music no squatter had anything to do with either the Irish or Scottish fiddle.
    There were no bowed instruments before a dubious reference in the 7thC which is thought to be a misstranslation, before that you had Harps and Lyres. It was not until the 17thC that the fiddle became a popular instrument in Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawspeaker View Post
    Come on, Foley. Don't be too harsh alright. Guess what's keeping Ireland running ? The good old British-influenced judicial system and the British-influenced political system.
    The Dáil Éireann is elected by a proportional representation system the British in an archaic first past the post system. Ireland has a President not an arcahaic Queen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lawspeaker View Post
    The best thing the ancient Irish came up with were a bunch of Kings and clans hellbent on slaughtering each other
    How was Ireland different from another European nation at that time then? Besides what is wrong with Clan warfare its a part of Gaelic Irish and Scottish heritage as is whiskey.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lawspeaker View Post
    when there were no English around.
    There were no English around

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    I can't believe people are talking about MOVING them. They should live in the land that has shaped them, where they belong. Those who don't like it should lump it. They won't be moved, simple as that.

    Has the Borders ingredient been mentioned yet? I like that term 'God's Frontiersmen' that I've heard attached to this group of people that went from the Cheviots to Ulster and on to America. Having a great deal of Northumberland (in the stricter sense) blood, I feel some kinship myself with this ethnicity. Is the name Lamb common over there, at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrymheim View Post
    There were no bowed instruments before a dubious reference in the 7thC which is thought to be a misstranslation, before that you had Harps and Lyres.
    That depends on your links.
    The History Of The Fiddle
    The earliest examples of a bowed instrument and of a bow itself date from the eleventh century and were excavated in Dublin in the eighteenth century.
    Eleventh century thats some 6 centuries before any Squatter landed in Ireland.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrymheim View Post
    It was not until the 17thC that the fiddle became a popular instrument in Ireland.
    Almost all European countries claim the invention of the violin, but none can seriously challenge the prominence of Italy in its history. The oldest surviving violin dates back to 1564 and was made by Andrea Amati, whose techniques have become the blueprints for all violin makers since. The accepted modern form of the violin, with the exception of the shape of the neck, was confirmed by 1710 thanks largely to Antonio Stradivari. It was in the early eighteenth century too, that the modern design of violin was firmly established throughout Ireland. In terms of its accepted construction, then, the fiddle is the oldest instrument in Irish traditional music. However, whereas the uilleann pipes have remained almost unchanged since its establishment in the tradition, the fiddle has undergone a process of continual development, particularly in the area of string and bow technologies.
    The fiddle developed throughout Irish history.
    The afore-mentioned John Neal is the first recorded Irish fiddle maker. Along with his brother, William, he began making fiddles in Dublin in the 1720s. However, there is some debate about how the instrument travelled to Ireland.
    Meaning the Squatters cant substantiate any of their bullshit claims, its just their realization of the Anglo-Saxon blandness which they are attempting to distance themselves from and claim some form of racial kinship with the Irish and Scottish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley View Post
    "Tha Boord o Ulstèr-Scotch"
    Sounds like street Nigger talk 'Da Hood!', typical example of a the damage to a language an immigrant does.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley View Post
    You had better find a superior people to conquer Eire as the current crop are nigger like mimics who are attempting to steal the Irish identity as their own. Shit any fool who has seen an Orange parade knows we are dealing with North Europes version of the Albanians.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley View Post
    Meaning the Squatters cant substantiate any of their bullshit claims, its just their realization of the Anglo-Saxon blandness which they are attempting to distance themselves from and claim some form of racial kinship with the Irish and Scottish.


    That's quite enough of all that, thank you, Brian! I would like to refer you to a rule of the forum which you agreed to when you joined up.

    3. This is a board for people of European heritage. We will not tolerate: pro-multiculturalism, pro-miscegenation, anti-Germanic or anti-Nordic views. Views, ideas, and contributions that are hostile to Europeans or their heritage are not permitted.

    If you would kindly take it upon yourself to tone down your language towards other members who are European and live and adhere to the culture you so easily deride, then that would be lovely.

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