Ulster-Scots - a people and a language

[Graham]

Probably a lot of the Protestant Irish Americans are 75% British or some other Protestant group from the colonial era, but have an Irish grandparent or something which is a more recent migrant so put themselves down as Irish. Seems a common occurrence with German Americans, almost every German American result I've seen is heavily or even majority British. There is only 4 million Irish in Ireland but over 30 million supposed Irish Americans, doesn't really add up mathematically for them to all be pure bred.

Not debating your point about the pure bred thing( which is correct) but the population of Ireland was closer to 8 million, 200 years ago. The ratio between the nations was smaller at the point of migrations.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Possibly. I'll have to look again but it did mention about Irish changing their religion as well. This also happened in Ulster which is why you have Protestant O'Neill's and Catholic Adams.

Gerry Adams comes to mind. I just read an article on a horrible Protestant terrorist in the UVF, and I know that you're familiar with him. His surname is "Murphy"! I saw two or more Native Irish names in their roster.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yes I know Appalachians have a lot of respect for the Irish and many claim Irish ancestry. I loved this from Dolly Parton when she was in Co Kerry. She is so down to earth and natural and I think the Irish would love her even more for this.

That's a really cool clip. She has some Gaels in her family tree too. There's a clip in which Chet Atkins and Ricky Skaggs play with the Chieftains. I love to see those positive vibes!

[Anglo-Celtic]

Alot Americans are German/Irish or neo-Anglo-Saxon e.g. Irish/German/English etc... only a minority of Americans are Catholic mixes like Irish/Italian (pseudo-french) and they are concentrated in places like New York.

That first mix is fairly common in the Midwest. Regis Philbin and Joe Rogan (just a quarter Irish, though) exemplify that last one. You also see a fair amount of celebrities who have British Isles genes mixed with Jewish genes. I've never seen an ugly one.

[Grace O'Malley]

Gerry Adams comes to mind. I just read an article on a horrible Protestant terrorist in the UVF, and I know that you're familiar with him. His surname is "Murphy"! I saw two or more Native Irish names in their roster.

Both Bobby Sands and Gerry Adams came from Planter families that obviously married into Catholics and changed their religion. There are many "mixed" families in Northern Ireland and by that I mean with Protestant and Catholic heritage. Also there was many Catholic Scottish highlanders and islanders that also came to Ulster pre and during the Plantations like Sorley Boy MacDonnell. All the history is really interesting.

Yes Murphy was one of the Shankill Butchers.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Both Bobby Sands and Gerry Adams came from Planter families that obviously married into Catholics and changed their religion. There are many "mixed" families in Northern Ireland and by that I mean with Protestant and Catholic heritage. Also there was many Catholic Scottish highlanders and islanders that also came to Ulster pre and during the Plantations like Sorley Boy MacDonnell. All the history is really interesting.

Yes Murphy was one of the Shankill Butchers.

You know those Highlanders. They went back and forth in so many ways. My McDonnell, who was from a generational gallowglass family, converted from Catholicism to Protestantism. He was from County Wicklow, not Ulster, though.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Both Bobby Sands and Gerry Adams came from Planter families that obviously married into Catholics and changed their religion. There are many "mixed" families in Northern Ireland and by that I mean with Protestant and Catholic heritage. Also there was many Catholic Scottish highlanders and islanders that also came to Ulster pre and during the Plantations like Sorley Boy MacDonnell. All the history is really interesting.

Yes Murphy was one of the Shankill Butchers.

Please excuse my double post. Clan McGremlin is here!

[Grace O'Malley]

Here's an article about Irish-Americans being more Protestant than Catholic.

In the American imagination, to be Irish is to be Catholic. The data, however, is clear: most Irish-Americans are not Catholic, and Irish-Americans make up a minority of Catholics in America. Nearly half of Irish-Americans are Protestant; a third are Catholic. The proportions are more equal (roughly 40 percent each) between those that were raised Catholic or Protestant.

https://religionnews.com/2014/03/17/...gion-politics/

I'll look into it more later.

[Grace O'Malley]

You know those Highlanders. They went back and forth in so many ways. My McDonnell, who was from a generational gallowglass family, converted from Catholicism to Protestantism. He was from County Wicklow, not Ulster, though.

There are some McDonalds around that area as well from memory. The McDonalds and McDonnells are all the same though? I think they came to Ireland as Gallowglass. Something else to check on?

[Grace O'Malley]

There are actually 3 distinct branches of the name McDonnell in Ireland.

The first statement must be that there are three distinct origins for this name in Ireland: 1) a branch of the Scottish clan MacDonnell/MacDonald; 2) MacDonnell of Thomond, a branch of the O'Briens; 3) MacDonnell of Clan-Kelly in present Co Fermanagh.Of course, lexically, the names are cognate, from the Gaelic name, but there is no genealogical connection between these three families.

Incidentally, the Scottish clan is of remote Irish origin, having come to Scotland with the 'Scoti' (latin word for the Dark Age Irish colonists of Caledonia, such as the tribe of the Dál Riada et. al.)

https://www.ireland101.com/tribe/mcdonnell