Ulster-Scots - a people and a language

[Anglo-Celtic]

Here's an article about Irish-Americans being more Protestant than Catholic.


https://religionnews.com/2014/03/17/...gion-politics/

I'll look into it more later.

I tend to think that most individuals, who have roots in the Republic of Ireland, come from Catholic families. Also, as we both know, many Irish Americans have more of an Ulster Scottish background than a Native Irish one, and this likely skews the numbers. Then, some individuals are atheist or non-Christian, and a lot of them come from Catholic families. Some people come from "mixed" backgrounds, and they might identify more with just one parent's church.

All of that said, there are many Baptist and Pentecostal Americans who have Native Irish forebears and surnames. It's not all down to their ancestors' conversions from Catholicism to Protestantism. Some of them convert in the present day, or their great-grandparents might have done so, and that's especially true if they're "hybrids". You know more about this than I do, but I noticed that Irish people can be quite fervent in their beliefs, no matter what church they attend.

My (insert central casting Irish surname here) grandma and great aunt had feuds over whether Baptists or Church of Christ members were right. I found a descendant of my last immigrant Irishman ancestor, and he seemingly wrote "praise the Lord" every other word when we communicated. My "most Irish" forebear, from County Tipperary, became a Baptist preacher! I think that they're exceptions to the Catholic rule, but they're a part of the religious equation.

I noticed the same pattern with kids in school. They were from Appalachian regions, but they had Native Irish surnames. One good childhood friend of mine was almost like an evangelist, but he never forced or pushed his beliefs on people. I bet that their ancestors were equally devoted Catholics in Ireland, so it seems like Gaels might have a genetic(?) predisposition that makes them more fervently religious.

[Anglo-Celtic]

There are some McDonalds around that area as well from memory. The McDonalds and McDonnells are all the same though? I think they came to Ireland as Gallowglass. Something else to check on?

You're right about many of them. They were the first ones to be called "Scots-Irish". I can't find out whether or not two forebears were murdered at Glencoe. Some records claim that they were in County Wicklow at the time, but a Bible entry supports the Glencoe claim.

[JamesBond007]

I tend to think that most individuals, who have roots in the Republic of Ireland, come from Catholic families. Also, as we both know, many Irish Americans have more of an Ulster Scottish background than a Native Irish one, and this likely skews the numbers. Then, some individuals are atheist or non-Christian, and a lot of them come from Catholic families. Some people come from "mixed" backgrounds, and they might identify more with just one parent's church.

All of that said, there are many Baptist and Pentecostal Americans who have Native Irish forebears and surnames. It's not all down to their ancestors' conversions from Catholicism to Protestantism. Some of them convert in the present day, or their great-grandparents might have done so, and that's especially true if they're "hybrids". You know more about this than I do, but I noticed that Irish people can be quite fervent in their beliefs, no matter what church they attend.

My (insert central casting Irish surname here) grandma and great aunt had feuds over whether Baptists or Church of Christ members were right. I found a descendant of my last immigrant Irishman ancestor, and he seemingly wrote "praise the Lord" every other word when we communicated. My "most Irish" forebear, from County Tipperary, became a Baptist preacher! I think that they're exceptions to the Catholic rule, but they're a part of the religious equation.

I noticed the same pattern with kids in school. They were from Appalachian regions, but they had Native Irish surnames. One good childhood friend of mine was almost like an evangelist, but he never forced or pushed his beliefs on people. I bet that their ancestors were equally devoted Catholics in Ireland, so it seems like Gaels might have a genetic(?) predisposition that makes them more fervently religious.

I have an Irish hiberno-norman name and was raised Catholic but that is because New York is Catholic and Jewish on an old Dutch root. I was born in New York. One of my grandmothers was Anglican, though, and once I found out my autosomal DNA is English/Dutch I converted to Protestantism (Anglicanism).

[Anglo-Celtic]

I have an Irish hiberno-norman name and was raised Catholic but that is because New York is Catholic and Jewish on an old Dutch root. I was born in New York. One of my grandmothers was Anglican, though, and once I found out my autosomal DNA is English/Dutch I converted to Protestantism (Anglicanism).

I thought that you lived in England! I separate genetics from religion in 2021. For example, there are tons of Catholic Mexicans and tons of Evangelical Mexicans. The old rules don't apply as much these days.

[Daco Celtic]

[JamesBond007]

I thought that you lived in England! I separate genetics from religion in 2021. For example, there are tons of Catholic Mexicans and tons of Evangelical Mexicans. The old rules don't apply as much these days.

Is there some law that says I can't live in England currently if I was born in New York? LOL

[JamesBond007]

I thought that you lived in England! I separate genetics from religion in 2021. For example, there are tons of Catholic Mexicans and tons of Evangelical Mexicans. The old rules don't apply as much these days.

Evangelicals are not elite WASPs like Espiscopalians, methodists and presbyterians.

Brace yourself it is the G25 religion calculator :

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Relig...calculator.htm

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3643% / 0.02364331 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.0 Protestant_Christianity
16.6 Catholic_Christianity
2.4 Sunni_Islam


Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.5583% / 0.02558347 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.4 Protestant_Christianity
39.6 Catholic_Christianity


^Protestant a bit of Catholicism = Anglican/Episcopalian.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Is there some law that says I can't live in England currently if I was born in New York? LOL

There is. There are too many Plastic Limeys there.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Evangelicals are not elite WASPs like Espiscopalians, methodists and presbyterians.

Brace yourself it is the G25 religion calculator :

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Relig...calculator.htm

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3643% / 0.02364331 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.0 Protestant_Christianity
16.6 Catholic_Christianity
2.4 Sunni_Islam


Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.5583% / 0.02558347 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.4 Protestant_Christianity
39.6 Catholic_Christianity


^Protestant a bit of Catholicism = Anglican/Episcopalian.

That's really something. I bet that Bishop Ussher used the same kind of calculators.

[Anglo-Celtic]

That's a good documentary. It's a bit romanticized, though. They now romanticize the Ulster Scottish like they do with the Highland Scottish and the Native Irish. It's "Braveheart Syndrome".