Şah İsmayıl / Shah Ismail Appreciation Thread

[Kyp]

Ismail hunting down Uzbek leader Shaybani Khan in battle

[Negah]

I like some of his poems. Nadir shah is the greatest (turkic) emperor of iran tho.

Nadir Shah was perhaps one of the top 5 greatest military leaders of all time.

However, the difference between Ismail and Nader was that Ismail established a dynasty that lasted over 200 years and its impact on Iran was profound and transformative, the other one became so paranoid that he killed or maimed everyone of his successors; therefore, his dynasty did not last after his death and the legacy of his dynasty beyond Nader Shah's incredible military victories was not much.

[Negah]

It's odd on how Iranian Azeris identify more closer to Iranians while those in Azerbaijan feel more closer to Turkey and all.

It stems from the poor leadership in Iran that has caused northern Azeris to feel alienated towards Iranians. But Northern Azeris share identical history and culture with Iran, not Turkey.

[Kyp]

It stems from the poor leadership in Iran that has caused northern Azeris to feel alienated towards Iranians. But Northern Azeris share identical history and culture with Iran, not Turkey.

People shouldn't be illiterate in their mother tounge..
What can be done in the future?

[Reis-i Cumhur]

I don't care how he was a noble or good person.He was a loser and faggot and also He lost his wife to Armenoid Selim.What a shame !
Edit:I shit on his name.Most of Turkmens removed cuz of his fault.He literally sold his believers and supporters.
I don't blame armenoid Selim he did it for turkish safety.

[Kyp]

I don't care how he was a noble or good person.He was a loser and faggot and also He lost his wife to Armenoid Selim.What a shame !

I don't think he was a good person per se. He was brutal and had a god-complex Definetly not a "good person". But this thread is about appreciation. No ruler is perfect. I think he played an integral part for Azerbaijani people's ethnogenesis and Alevites in the long run.

[Aileron]

It stems from the poor leadership in Iran that has caused northern Azeris to feel alienated towards Iranians. But Northern Azeris share identical history and culture with Iran, not Turkey.

Honestly i think Azeris from Azerbaijan feel much closer to Caucasians and us compared to Iran

[itilvolga]

He was a fair man. Tekelis (a qizilbash Turkmen tribe) revolted against Ottomans and decided to follow Shah Ismail in Iran, during their migration, they looted some caravans in Elazig and Shah Ismail put them to death just because of that when they finally arrived to Iran.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

I don't think he was a good person per se. He was brutal and had a god-complex Definetly not a "good person". But this thread is about appreciation. No ruler is perfect. I think he played an integral part for Azerbaijani people's ethnogenesis and Alevites in the long run.

Dude Most of Eastern Turks don't have turkic ancestry because of this muthafucker and Armenoid Selim.
Do you know that ?No matter what Shah and Armenoid Selim destroyed Turkic heritage in eastern Anatolia.
My people removed from anatolia to Iran but thanks to tengri we found the true way and come back to Turkey again.
Proud Turkish

[Kyp]

Honestly i think Azeris from Azerbaijan feel much closer to Caucasians and us compared to Iran

Because Iranian identity is based on three things:

1. Persian chauvinism, later got removed for Iranian chauvinism
2. Iranian chauvinism: includes Azeris, but denies Turkic background. Considers them native Azeri people.
3. Shia Islam.

Hardcore shia azeris won't have any problems with Iran. They can easily play integral parts in Iran. But if you're not hardcore Shia and care about your mother tongue/culture etc. you'll easily will find yourself alienated by Iran because you're left with Persian/Iranian chauvinism and a regime runned by clerics on top of that (universal issue).
Republic Azerbaijanis broke most ties with Iranian culture and they'll never look bad, for better or for worse.