Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 30

Thread: Half Lebanese Half Polish = Romanian?

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    02-05-2020 @ 09:40 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    لا اعرف
    Ethnicity
    لبنان
    Country
    Lebanon
    Religion
    Maronite
    Gender
    Posts
    272
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 111/4
    Given: 80/4

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default Half Lebanese Half Polish = Romanian?

    These are GEDMatch results of a half Lebanese half Polish guy.

    Admix Results (sorted):



    # Population Percent
    1 North_European 35.03
    2 Atlantic_Med 24.39
    3 Caucasus 23.38
    4 Southwest_Asian 6.12
    5 Gedrosia 3.76
    6 South_Asian 2.25
    7 Southeast_Asian 1.45
    8 Siberian 1.22
    9 East_African 0.94
    10 East_Asian 0.79
    11 Northwest_African 0.6
    12 Sub_Saharan 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Romanians (Behar) 5.15
    2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.59
    3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.37
    4 Hungarians (Behar) 14.6
    5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.09
    6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.15
    7 Greek (Dodecad) 19.34
    8 German (Dodecad) 19.84
    9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.54
    10 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.8
    11 C_Italian (Dodecad) 21.08
    12 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.13
    13 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 23.41
    14 French (Dodecad) 23.57
    15 French (HGDP) 23.76
    16 Dutch (Dodecad) 24.95
    17 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 25.47
    18 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 25.7
    19 Sicilian (Dodecad) 25.74
    20 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 25.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 60.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.21
    2 64% Hungarians (Behar) + 36% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.37
    3 61.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.3% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.57
    4 66.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.59
    5 64.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.65
    6 52.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 47.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.78
    7 73% Hungarians (Behar) + 27% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.78
    8 53.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 46.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.8
    9 56% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 44% Russian (Dodecad) @ 3.81
    10 67.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.85
    11 95.2% Romanians (Behar) + 4.8% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 3.88
    12 62.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.88
    13 60.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.1% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.89
    14 68.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.91
    15 69.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 30.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.94
    16 75.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 24.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.97
    17 95.6% Romanians (Behar) + 4.4% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 3.99
    18 63.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 4.04
    19 90.1% Romanians (Behar) + 9.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.05
    20 95.8% Romanians (Behar) + 4.2% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4.06

  2. #2
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:58 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Proto-Mammalian
    Ethnicity
    Therapsid
    Country
    England
    Gender
    Posts
    1,184
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 555/8
    Given: 129/0

    4 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    No. The Neolithic Ancestry in Romanians is Anatolian_N/Barcin_N which is Pred. Anatolian Hunter Gatherer derived (73% Villabrunalike/UHG and 27% Basal Eurasian). As far as I am concerned, the Romanians (expt. the Roma) don't have post Neolithic MENA ancestry. The Lebanese are derived from a population that is a mix of Chacolithic Iranians, Barcin_N, Natufian which form the Levant_BA releated ancestry in Levantines, which quite removed from EEF.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    02-05-2020 @ 09:40 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    لا اعرف
    Ethnicity
    لبنان
    Country
    Lebanon
    Religion
    Maronite
    Gender
    Posts
    272
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 111/4
    Given: 80/4

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    No. The Neolithic Ancestry in Romanians is Anatolian_N/Barcin_N which is Pred. Anatolian Hunter Gatherer derived (73% Villabrunalike/UHG and 27% Basal Eurasian). As far as I am concerned, the Romanians (expt. the Roma) don't have post Neolithic MENA ancestry. The Lebanese are derived from a population that is a mix of Chacolithic Iranians, Barcin_N, Natufian which form the Levant_BA releated ancestry in Levantines, which quite removed from EEF.
    The results I just posted are of a half Polish half Lebanese person that I know. Why does he get close distance to Romania and Bulgaria?

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    02-05-2020 @ 09:40 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    لا اعرف
    Ethnicity
    لبنان
    Country
    Lebanon
    Religion
    Maronite
    Gender
    Posts
    272
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 111/4
    Given: 80/4

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    This is his PuntDNAL K13... still close to Romanians why?
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_Europe 35.71
    2 SW_Europe 29.53
    3 West_Asia 15.68
    4 SW_Asia 10.51
    5 Siberia 2.69
    6 South_Africa 2.22
    7 SE_Asia 1.35
    8 Americas 0.83
    9 South_Asia 0.7
    10 West_Africa 0.44
    11 Oceania 0.31
    12 NE_Asia 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Romanian 6.41
    2 Montenegrin 7.43
    3 Serbian 7.73
    4 Bulgarian 8.5
    5 Macedonian 8.66
    6 Bosnian 9.1
    7 Moldavian 9.37
    8 Croatian 11.12
    9 Kosovar 12.35
    10 Albanian 12.81
    11 Slovene 12.82
    12 Hungarian 12.97
    13 Greek_Thessaly 13.53
    14 Slovak 13.91
    15 Italian_Tuscan 14.16
    16 French 14.84
    17 German_South 14.98
    18 Belgian 15.56
    19 Italian_Bergamo 15.6
    20 English 16.24

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 50.9% Mordovian + 49.1% Sephardic_Jew @ 3.73
    2 51.7% Italian_Sicilian + 48.3% Mordovian @ 3.84
    3 53.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 46.7% Mordovian @ 3.85
    4 53.9% Italian_Sicilian + 46.1% Russian @ 3.9
    5 55.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 44.6% Russian @ 3.92
    6 51.2% Sephardic_Jew + 48.8% Russian @ 4.05
    7 62.7% Italian_Sicilian + 37.3% Finnish @ 4.06
    8 64.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 35.9% Finnish @ 4.2
    9 67.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.2% Finnish @ 4.23
    10 69.6% Greek_Central + 30.4% Finnish @ 4.48
    11 73.4% Slovak + 26.6% Jordanian @ 4.53
    12 86.6% Romanian + 13.4% Aluet @ 4.55
    13 57.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.7% Mordovian @ 4.56
    14 67.7% German_North + 32.3% Jordanian @ 4.6
    15 68.7% German_North + 31.3% Palestinian @ 4.6
    16 74.4% Slovak + 25.6% Palestinian @ 4.6
    17 61.6% Swedish + 38.4% Jordanian @ 4.62
    18 63.2% Norwegian + 36.8% Jordanian @ 4.63
    19 64.4% Norwegian + 35.6% Palestinian @ 4.63
    20 76.2% Slovene + 23.8% Palestinian @ 4.64

  5. #5
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:58 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Proto-Mammalian
    Ethnicity
    Therapsid
    Country
    England
    Gender
    Posts
    1,184
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 555/8
    Given: 129/0

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by فاروق View Post
    The results I just posted are of a half Polish half Lebanese person that I know. Why does he get close distance to Romania and Bulgaria?
    The calculator substitutes populations if it lack accurate models to create a more accurate result. Its the same reason why before the 2016 publication of Anatolian farmers and the 2018-19 release of AHG aDNA, researchers used the Natufians as a proxy for Neolithic ancestry in Europe even through we now know that the Anatolian farmers were largely derived from local hunter gatherers distinct from the Natufians and were more WHG shifted.

  6. #6
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:58 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Proto-Mammalian
    Ethnicity
    Therapsid
    Country
    England
    Gender
    Posts
    1,184
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 555/8
    Given: 129/0

    3 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    This is why you don't use Gedmatch for Scientific journals, you use qpADM, qpGraphs and D-stats. For lay people, 25 nmonte is more accurate than calculators. Gedmatch is now outdated.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    02-05-2020 @ 09:40 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    لا اعرف
    Ethnicity
    لبنان
    Country
    Lebanon
    Religion
    Maronite
    Gender
    Posts
    272
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 111/4
    Given: 80/4

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Anyway, the calculators are detecting his admixture and saying he's part "Druze" or something, yet still getting him close distance to Romanians. Thanks for your input I'll try these as well.

    HarappaWorld
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE-Euro 35.89
    2 Mediterranean 22.77
    3 Caucasian 21.81
    4 Baloch 6.74
    5 SW-Asian 5.85
    6 Beringian 2.21
    7 S-Indian 1.49
    8 SE-Asian 1.38
    9 San 0.89
    10 American 0.51
    11 NE-Asian 0.46

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 romanian-a (behar) 4.44
    2 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 6.53
    3 hungarian (behar) 14.11
    4 italian (hgdp) 15.22
    5 slovenian (xing) 15.44
    6 tuscan (hgdp) 15.74
    7 tuscan (1000genomes) 15.79
    8 tuscan (hapmap) 15.88
    9 french (hgdp) 18.44
    10 ashkenazi (harappa) 20.03
    11 n-european (xing) 22.16
    12 spaniard (behar) 22.76
    13 utahn-white (1000genomes) 22.86
    14 ukranian (yunusbayev) 23.15
    15 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 23.31
    16 utahn-white (hapmap) 23.48
    17 spaniard (1000genomes) 23.87
    18 british (1000genomes) 24.67
    19 orcadian (hgdp) 26.95
    20 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 27.27

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69% n-european (xing) + 31% druze (hgdp) @ 3.21
    2 60.5% slovenian (xing) + 39.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 3.26
    3 95.5% romanian-a (behar) + 4.5% west-greenlander (rasmussen) @ 3.3
    4 62.7% hungarian (behar) + 37.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 3.3
    5 59% hungarian (behar) + 41% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.33
    6 56.7% slovenian (xing) + 43.3% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.43
    7 96.9% romanian-a (behar) + 3.1% east-greenlander (rasmussen) @ 3.5
    8 66.5% slovenian (xing) + 33.5% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 3.55
    9 97.2% romanian-a (behar) + 2.8% chukchi (rasmussen) @ 3.62
    10 67.7% utahn-white (hapmap) + 32.3% druze (hgdp) @ 3.64
    11 73.7% hungarian (behar) + 26.3% cypriot (behar) @ 3.65
    12 68.7% hungarian (behar) + 31.3% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 3.67
    13 97.1% romanian-a (behar) + 2.9% koryak (rasmussen) @ 3.68
    14 75.4% hungarian (behar) + 24.6% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 3.78
    15 76.7% hungarian (behar) + 23.3% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 3.79
    16 76.7% hungarian (behar) + 23.3% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 3.81
    17 92.1% romanian-a (behar) + 7.9% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.81
    18 91.7% romanian-a (behar) + 8.3% british (1000genomes) @ 3.84
    19 91.1% romanian-a (behar) + 8.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.86
    20 90.9% romanian-a (behar) + 9.1% n-european (xing) @ 3.86

  8. #8
    Veteran Member dududud's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 09:53 PM
    Location
    Quebec, Montreal
    Ethnicity
    Indo-European and pre-Indo-European.
    Ancestry
    75% French (North-West), 25% Sard (Iglesias, Monserrato, Carloforte, Sant'Antioco).
    Country
    Quebec
    Region
    Quebec
    Religion
    Agnostic, interested in paganism
    Relationship Status
    Single
    Age
    23
    Gender
    Posts
    2,283
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 1,283/16
    Given: 2,104/3

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    K15?

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    02-05-2020 @ 09:40 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    لا اعرف
    Ethnicity
    لبنان
    Country
    Lebanon
    Religion
    Maronite
    Gender
    Posts
    272
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 111/4
    Given: 80/4

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dududud View Post
    K15?
    Which one?

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Last Online
    02-05-2020 @ 09:40 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    لا اعرف
    Ethnicity
    لبنان
    Country
    Lebanon
    Religion
    Maronite
    Gender
    Posts
    272
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 111/4
    Given: 80/4

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    This time he's Bosnian

    PuntDNAL K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_European 43.6
    2 Mediterranean 28.85
    3 Caucasian 14.26
    4 SW_Asian 5.59
    5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.79
    6 S_African 1.55
    7 S_Indian 1.41
    8 Siberian 1.13
    9 E_Asian 0.83
    10 Beringian 0.62
    11 Omo_River 0.24
    12 Amerindian 0.12

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bosnian 3.27
    2 Macedonian 4.83
    3 Serbian 5.26
    4 Romanian 6.49
    5 Bulgarian 6.65
    6 Montenegrin 8.62
    7 Croatian 9.21
    8 French 9.63
    9 South_German 10.36
    10 Hungarian 10.95
    11 Utahn_White 11.1
    12 Italian 11.46
    13 Austrian 12.1
    14 Slovenian 12.36
    15 Irish 12.8
    16 English 13.55
    17 Orcadian 13.68
    18 Greek_Thessaly 14.66
    19 Spaniard 14.9
    20 North_German 14.92

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 51.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 48.4% Belarusian @ 2.39
    2 71% Norwegian + 29% Lebanese @ 2.39
    3 74.7% Orcadian + 25.3% Lebanese @ 2.46
    4 72.6% Scottish + 27.4% Lebanese @ 2.48
    5 71.7% Norwegian + 28.3% Palestinian @ 2.52
    6 74.9% English + 25.1% Lebanese @ 2.56
    7 69.7% Hungarian + 30.3% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 2.61
    8 73.7% Scottish + 26.3% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.61
    9 76% English + 24% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.63
    10 52.3% Belarusian + 47.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.63
    11 73.6% North_German + 26.4% Palestinian @ 2.64
    12 73.7% Norwegian + 26.3% Druze @ 2.66
    13 50% Sicilian + 50% Belarusian @ 2.67
    14 73% North_German + 27% Lebanese @ 2.68
    15 75.8% Orcadian + 24.2% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.68
    16 91.4% Serbian + 8.6% Yemenese @ 2.71
    17 50.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 49.2% Russian @ 2.72
    18 75.3% Orcadian + 24.7% Palestinian @ 2.73
    19 75.9% English + 24.1% Syrian @ 2.74
    20 73% Hungarian + 27% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.76

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 14
    Last Post: 10-11-2019, 11:57 PM
  2. Replies: 19
    Last Post: 06-20-2019, 04:58 AM
  3. Replies: 8
    Last Post: 01-04-2019, 05:18 PM
  4. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 11-23-2017, 11:35 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •