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    Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew Grants Audience to Northern Macedonian Leaders

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    Today, January 13, 2020, His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew received, at their request, His Excellency Mr. Oliver Spasovski, Prime Minister of the Republic of Northern Macedonia, accompanied by his predecessor, His Excellency Mr. Zoran Zaev and his colleagues Mr. Dane Talevski and Mr. Dejan Sotirovski.

    The purpose of the meeting was to consider the country’s ecclesiastical problem. During the discussion the following subjects were put on the table, if it is truly the will of the Church henceforth to restore canonical order in the name of the Archbishopric of Ochrid, and then also in time to have recourse to and submit to the arbitration of the Mother Church.

    Before that it was decided to invite to the See of the Ecumenical Patriarchate representatives of the Church of Serbia and of the Church in that region, for consultation and an attempt to find a mutually acceptable solution.

    The atmosphere of the conversation was warm and sincere, after which the high officials went to the Patriarchal refectory and then left for their homes.

    The Prime Minister and his colleagues expressed their respect for and confidence in the Mother Church, which received all of them with favor.

    Along with the Ecumenical Patriarch, contributing to the discussion were the Metropolitans Emmanuel of France, Maximos of Selyvria, and Amphilochios of Adrianopolis, the Very Rev. Archimandrite Ioakim and the Deacon Gregorios, General Secretary and Undersecretary of the Holy and Sacred Synod, respectively, as well as the Honorable Mr. Konstantinos Delikostantis, Principal Teacher of the Nation (Genous) and Director of the First Patriarchal Office.
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    I have a solution for this problem.

    Centralize Ecumenical Patriarchate like it was in the past when Emperors were superior to Patriarchs.

    Bartholomew has a right to revoke all Churches rights granted in the past.

    Current Decentralization will only lead to more schisms and eventual collapse.

    Russians are already fighting Ecumenical Patriarchate with their own new High Patriarch, and decentralized Churches will be easy prey without Constantinople's influence.

    I am giving this advice with a good intention, you are doomed if you continue with independent Churches and you will be strangled with schizmatic Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I have a solution for this problem.

    Centralize Ecumenical Patriarchate like it was in the past when Emperors were superior to Patriarchs.

    Bartholomew has a right to revoke all Churches rights granted in the past.

    Current Decentralization will only lead to more schisms and eventual collapse.

    Russians are already fighting Ecumenical Patriarchate with their own new High Patriarch, and decentralized Churches will be easy prey without Constantinople's influence.

    I am giving this advice with a good intention, you are doomed if you continue with independent Churches and you will be strangled with schizmatic Russia.
    There is a already a church like this - the Catholic Church. No thanks, we like our national churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    There is a already a church like this - the Catholic Church. No thanks, we like our national churches.
    What do you think about Montenegrin and Macedonian churches, are they gonna become legalized by Ecumenical Patriarch?

    Do you think that Serbs can pull strings against such act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    What do you think about Montenegrin and Macedonian churches, are they gonna become legalized by Ecumenical Patriarch?

    Do you think that Serbs can pull strings against such act?
    Yes they will, like the Ukrainian church. Serbs and Russians will then sulk together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    Yes they will, like the Ukrainian church. Serbs and Russians will then sulk together.
    True, Serbs look to much beyond Balkans, they might even join Russian schizm. They are extreme Russophiles, like madness.

    I hope Bulgarians, Macedonians will stick together with Southern Europeans than East Slavs.

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    Why does Zaev and his crew always look like prosti selani in every photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Why does Zaev and his crew always look like prosti selani in every photo.
    Because they are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I have a solution for this problem.

    Centralize Ecumenical Patriarchate like it was in the past when Emperors were superior to Patriarchs.

    Bartholomew has a right to revoke all Churches rights granted in the past.

    Current Decentralization will only lead to more schisms and eventual collapse.

    Russians are already fighting Ecumenical Patriarchate with their own new High Patriarch, and decentralized Churches will be easy prey without Constantinople's influence.

    I am giving this advice with a good intention, you are doomed if you continue with independent Churches and you will be strangled with schizmatic Russia.
    Agreed, I believe eliminating national churches would create a sense of unity between Orthodox worshippers and downplay hostilities.

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    I think its HIGH time Bartholomew accept the reality that there is a Macedonian church. I m sick of his double standard between Ukrainians and NMacedonians. He should deffinately not side with the Serbs on this matter. Historically speaking, the Bulgarian church has much more grounds to claim the Macedonian one and still they don't (if its the only positive thing I could say about them). Time for a Mac church.

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