MPO on the relationship between ancient and modern Macedonians

**kefalonitis** · 01-28-2020, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Crn Volk

"Macedonian History, Is There A Relationship Between the Macedonians of Alexander the Great and the Modern Bulgarians?"

Let me remind you what you have signed,just in case you forgot.

**Crn Volk** · 01-28-2020, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by kefalonitis

Let me remind you what you have signed,just in case you forgot.

Yes, thanks for the reminder. You recognized the Macedonian ethnicity and language. Good job.

**catgeorge** · 01-28-2020, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Crn Volk

Yes, thanks for the reminder. You recognized the Macedonian ethnicity and language. Good job.

You also signed off that you are not related to Macedonia. So basically you signed off that you are LARPers.. providing you are happy with it.

**Crn Volk** · 01-28-2020, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by catgeorge

You also signed off that you are not related to Macedonia. So basically you signed off that you are LARPers.. providing you are happy with it.

Not related? The country name is Macedonia with a geographic qualifier. You recognized that the only ethnicity known as Macedonians are us, and that we speak Macedonian. As for LARPing, you Vlachs and Karakachans are masters at it. Without your own state, you LARP your neighbors

**catgeorge** · 01-28-2020, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Crn Volk

Not related? The country name is Macedonia with a geographic qualifier. You recognized that the only ethnicity known as Macedonians are us, and that we speak Macedonian. As for LARPing, you Vlachs and Karakachans are masters at it. Without your own state, you LARP your neighbors

Don't blame me - I didnt sign it. You guys signed it Article 7(4) specifies you are not related to Macedonia and you guys signed it. The agreement specifies you are LARPers.

**Crn Volk** · 01-28-2020, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by catgeorge

Don't blame me - I didnt sign it. You guys signed it Article 7(4) specifies you are not related to Macedonia and you guys signed it. The agreement specifies you are LARPers.

Lol, lucky for Tsipras then. Macedonia remains on the map. Lap it up.

**Dianatomia** · 01-29-2020, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by catgeorge

You also signed off that you are not related to Macedonia. So basically you signed off that you are LARPers.. providing you are happy with it.

No one can sign of on anything if you ask me. Nor can they become ancient Macedonians if some Greek minister hypothetically would sign a form of consent on a treaty. Either the claim is historically true or it isn't. And the answer to that is that the people of North Macedonia are NOT be descendants of ancient Macedonians as the area does not even constitute the habitat of ancient Macedonians. Nor were there people identifying as Macedonians when the Slavs arrived in the region. Consider that the people of North Macedonia have no consciousness whatsoever of being Paeonians or Dardanians. Given that the ancient Macedonains are even further detached from that region one can only conclude that the connection is entirely artificial.

And I am saying this with the conviction that it would be to Greece's advantage if they actually were largely sclavinized Ancient Macedonians. That would be great. A part of our kin, the ones responsible for spreading Hellenism, having developed a different consciousness. That would be wonderful.

**Crn Volk** · 01-29-2020, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dianatomia

No one can sign of on anything if you ask me. Nor can they become ancient Macedonians if some Greek minister hypothetically would sign a form of consent on a treaty. Either the claim is historically true or it isn't. And the answer to that is that the people of North Macedonia are NOT be descendants of ancient Macedonians as the area does not even constitute the habitat of ancient Macedonians. Nor were there people identifying as Macedonians when the Slavs arrived in the region. Consider that the people of North Macedonia have no consciousness whatsoever of being Paeonians or Dardanians. Given that the ancient Macedonains are even further detached from that region one can only conclude that the connection is entirely artificial.

And I am saying this with the conviction that it would be to Greece's advantage if they actually were largely sclavinized Ancient Macedonians. That would be great. A part of our kin, the ones responsible for spreading Hellenism, having developed a different consciousness. That would be wonderful.

What about the slavophones from Pelagonia to the Aegean sea? Do they have any connection?

**Dianatomia** · 01-29-2020, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Crn Volk

What about the slavophones from Pelagonia to the Aegean sea? Do they have any connection?

I would assume that they do have a biological connection to the Ancient peoples pre-existing in those areas. But mind you, I am going to split hairs and note that Pelagonia was inhabited by Molossian Greeks. Inevitably some other slavophones are indeed inhabiting the area which was inhabited by Ancient Macedonians. Remember that some Slavophones migrated to the Aegean region even as late as during the Ottoman Empire. Some usually look more Slavonic than many of their counterparts in North Macedonia, but surely they must have some degree local ancient Macedonian ancestry. Yet, due to the fact that they found themselves in a different cultural mainframe, historical coincidence forced them to take an anti-Hellenic stance. Even though they may indeed have a degree of Ancient Greek ancestry.

In short, I would simply argue that the Macedonian Slavs also have a Greek biological element. It is not the dominant one however. Nevertheless, Paeonians were also probably not very different from Greeks I suspect. It is more a matter of historical accuracy that most Macedonian Slavs can not be largely Ancient Macedonians linea recta.

**ioan assen** · 02-04-2020, 08:05 AM

One thing is for sure: the pre-slavic Balkan native population played huge role for the genetic contribution of Bulgarian and North Macedonians especially. I think its obvious from mere look... The preslavic population probably has the biggest contribution. However I think that both nations are genetically very similar: there is the Slavic element, Bulgar element (least significant I would say) and the Thracian element... I would say Thracians were most prominent, judging from the location of both BG and MAC: in the Macedonian case: the Peonians. I would say that ancient Macedonian ethnic contribution cant be ruled out, but it probably was not that significant. The Macedonians, even if we could speculate they haven't started as totally Greek (whatever that meant at the time), by the time of Alexander were totally Hellenized.